Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-10 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Thursday 02 March 2006 04:46, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: Package: libacme-brainfck-perl Provides: libacme-brainfuck-perl Ah, and back to the time when some words where magic and caused burn marks on the paper around the ink. I never have and probably never will see why some people find 'f*ck'

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-02 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:47:59 -0600, Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01-Mar-06, 08:57 (CST), Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scripsit Panu Kalliokoski [EMAIL PROTECTED] * License : BSD-like Description : Brainfuck compiler What is this useful for?

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-02 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Tim Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] A programming language with the minimum number of instructions necessary to be turing-complete and have I/O may be more than a toy for some people. Perhaps. But (1) brainfuck isn't that; it has twice as many basic instructions as combinatory lambda

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-02 Thread Panu Kalliokoski
(I'm not on -devel, so I constructed this reply by hand.) And given the reaction to porn-get and bitchx and whatever-the-stripping-cpu-monitor-was-called , I tend to assume[2] that the true intent of such an ITP is to instigate yet another 500 post flame war between the but what about the

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-02 Thread Steve Greenland
On 02-Mar-06, 05:31 (CST), Panu Kalliokoski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only saw the last one of the flame wars you mention, and it didn't even cross my mind that this ITP would gather similar attention. Then I apologize for implying otherwise. Note that the package name does not have any

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-02 Thread Mario Lang
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit Panu Kalliokoski [EMAIL PROTECTED] * License : BSD-like Description : Brainfuck compiler What is this useful for? Curling braincells... I once wrote a Emacs Lisp implementation[1] of a BrainFuck compiler, its probably the

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-02 Thread Andrea Bolognani
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 10:43:54 +0100 Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scripsit Tim Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] A programming language with the minimum number of instructions necessary to be turing-complete and have I/O may be more than a toy for some people. Perhaps. But (1)

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-02 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Andrea Bolognani [EMAIL PROTECTED] BrainFuck is not just a proof-of-concept or a toy language. You can write actual programs using it. Seriously, there is even a complete textual adventure written in BrainFuck: http://jonripley.com/i-fiction/games/LostKingdomBF.html Do you claim

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-02 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Panu Kalliokoski [EMAIL PROTECTED] I only saw the last one of the flame wars you mention, and it didn't even cross my mind that this ITP would gather similar attention. For the record, I don't care any which way about the name [1]; my reaction would have been the same if it was called

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-02 Thread Andrea Bolognani
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:58:12 +0100 Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you claim that this is _not_ just a proof-of-concept item? No. It's fully usable and enjoinable. -- KiyuKo eof AT kiyuko DOT org Like Russian Rulette with six bullets loaded pgpWVdTmi9Ukg.pgp Description: PGP

Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-01 Thread Panu Kalliokoski
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Panu Kalliokoski [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: bfc Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : Panu Kalliokoski [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://sange.fi/~atehwa/bf/ * License : BSD-like Description : Brainfuck compiler

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-01 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Panu Kalliokoski [EMAIL PROTECTED] * License : BSD-like Description : Brainfuck compiler What is this useful for? -- Henning Makholm Ambiguous cases are defined as those for which the compiler being used finds a legitimate interpretation

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-01 Thread Steve Greenland
On 01-Mar-06, 08:57 (CST), Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scripsit Panu Kalliokoski [EMAIL PROTECTED] * License : BSD-like Description : Brainfuck compiler What is this useful for? Annoying people who think that children are irrevocably damaged by reading the

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-01 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 12:47 -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: On 01-Mar-06, 08:57 (CST), Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scripsit Panu Kalliokoski [EMAIL PROTECTED] * License : BSD-like Description : Brainfuck compiler What is this useful for? Annoying

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-01 Thread Tim Olsen
It's An Eight-Instruction Turing-Complete Programming Language. See: http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck I suggest a better description for the ITP so people can see that the purpose of the package is not necessarily only to offend (if at all). -Tim

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-01 Thread Andrea Bolognani
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:59:12 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides that? BrainFuck is Everyone's Favourite Programming Language (TM). -- KiyuKo eof AT kiyuko DOT org Like Russian Rulette with six bullets loaded pgp4IRdXe6FQQ.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-01 Thread The Fungi
On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 12:59:12PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Besides that? It is essentially a toy, or a demonstration tool... depends on your point of view. BrainFuck, from what I can tell, has been around for years and is a Turing-complete programming language consisting of only eight

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-01 Thread Steve Greenland
On 01-Mar-06, 13:05 (CST), Tim Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's An Eight-Instruction Turing-Complete Programming Language. Yeah, I know. That doesn't make it useful[1]. And given the reaction to porn-get and bitchx and whatever-the-stripping-cpu-monitor-was-called , I tend to assume[2]

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-01 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit The Fungi [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 12:59:12PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Besides that? It is essentially a toy, or a demonstration tool... depends on your point of view. Why should we use mirror bandwidth on either? BrainFuck, from what I can tell, has been around

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 03:57:17PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Panu Kalliokoski [EMAIL PROTECTED] * License : BSD-like Description : Brainfuck compiler What is this useful for? Pretty much the same thing that libacme-brainfck-perl is useful for. Cheers, aj

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-01 Thread Tim Olsen
On 3/1/06, Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01-Mar-06, 13:05 (CST), Tim Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's An Eight-Instruction Turing-Complete Programming Language. Yeah, I know. That doesn't make it useful[1]. Useful is a matter of opinion. A programming language with the

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-01 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Steve Greenland wrote: On 01-Mar-06, 13:05 (CST), Tim Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And given the reaction to porn-get and bitchx and whatever-the-stripping-cpu-monitor-was-called , I tend to assume[2] that the true intent of such an ITP is to instigate yet another 500

Re: Bug#354831: ITP: bfc -- Brainfuck compiler

2006-03-01 Thread Miles Bader
Tim Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Useful is a matter of opinion. A programming language with the minimum number of instructions necessary to be turing-complete and have I/O may be more than a toy for some people. Anyway, since when are toys somehow not allowed in Debian?!? Brainfuck seems