Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-08 Thread Sam Clegg
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Sam Clegg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: perforce Version : 2007.2-2 Upstream Author : Perforce Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.perforce.com/ * License : proprietary Programming Lang: binary only (with

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-08 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 07:30:09PM +0100, Sam Clegg wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Sam Clegg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > * Package name: perforce > Version : 2007.2-2 > Upstream Author : Perforce Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL : http://www.perforc

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-08 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:41:21PM -0400, Roberto C. S?nchez wrote: > Given the great abundance of revision control systems already packaged > for Debian, what is the point of adding another? Especially when it is > non-free. How about "people use it"? There's plenty of installations of perforce

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-08 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 07:52:55PM +, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:41:21PM -0400, Roberto C. S?nchez wrote: > > Given the great abundance of revision control systems already packaged > > for Debian, what is the point of adding another? Especially when it is > > non-fre

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-08 Thread Florian Weimer
* Pierre Habouzit: >> How about "people use it"? There's plenty of installations of >> perforce; > > s/perforce/windows/ and the sentence is still true ;) The Windows copyright is pretty restrictive AFAIK. If it weren't, I'm certain we hould ship things like Virtualbox VMs in non-free because

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-08 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seems to me that this depends on Perforce. D'oh. > > (I don't know anything about Perforce. Perhaps it's really dangerous > software. But perhaps it's just non-free.) Perforce is an absolutely *excellent* VCS with the unfortunate distinction

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-08 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 09:32:23PM +, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Pierre Habouzit: > >> I think making it easier to use Debian with them is > >> within the mandate for non-free. > > > > There is ways to interact with perforce in debian, in a free way: > > git-p4 being one of them. > | * The imp

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-08 Thread Faidon Liambotis
Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:41:21PM -0400, Roberto C. S?nchez wrote: >> Given the great abundance of revision control systems already packaged >> for Debian, what is the point of adding another? Especially when it is >> non-free. > > How about "people use it"? There's p

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-09 Thread Sam Clegg
On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 14:42 -0700, Tyler MacDonald wrote: > Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Seems to me that this depends on Perforce. D'oh. > > > > (I don't know anything about Perforce. Perhaps it's really dangerous > > software. But perhaps it's just non-free.) > > Perf

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-09 Thread Sam Clegg
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 05:41 +0300, Faidon Liambotis wrote: > Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:41:21PM -0400, Roberto C. S?nchez wrote: > >> Given the great abundance of revision control systems already packaged > >> for Debian, what is the point of adding another? Especiall

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-09 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Sam Clegg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Perforce is an absolutely *excellent* VCS with the unfortunate > > distinction of being proprietary. SubVersion can do most (but not all) of > > what it does, albeit 10 times slower. Still, I've migrated all of my stuff > > over to subversion, because, w

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-09 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:41:21PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > Given the great abundance of revision control systems already packaged > for Debian, what is the point of adding another? I don't see the relevance of this argument, really, but if you really think it's a problem: What if someon

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-09 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 11:15:38PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:41:21PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > Given the great abundance of revision control systems already packaged > > for Debian, what is the point of adding another? > > I don't see the relevance

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-10 Thread Florian Weimer
* Pierre Habouzit: >> (I don't know anything about Perforce. Perhaps it's really dangerous >> software. But perhaps it's just non-free.) > > OTOH I'm always reluctant to see new things enter non-free when there > is perfectly suitable alternatives. I mean git, hg, bzr, or even the > horrible s

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-10 Thread Steve Greenland
On 08-Oct-07, 16:15 (CDT), "Steinar H. Gunderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:41:21PM -0400, Roberto C. S??nchez wrote: > > Given the great abundance of revision control systems already packaged > > for Debian, what is the point of adding another? > > I don't see the r

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-11 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:41:21PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > Given the great abundance of revision control systems already packaged > for Debian, what is the point of adding another? Especially when it is > non-free. Firstly, as it is non-free, it isn't really going "into Debian". Second

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-11 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 11 octobre 2007 à 15:01 +0100, Jon Dowland a écrit : > It seems every other semi-controversial ITP gets an obligatory "why > package this when we have X,Y,Z instead?" reply, although seemingly > never from an ftp-master or mirror maintainer or anyone else who is > actually impacted by arch

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Jon Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It seems every other semi-controversial ITP gets an obligatory "why > package this when we have X,Y,Z instead?" reply, although seemingly > never from an ftp-master or mirror maintainer or anyone else who is > actually impacted by archive sizes :-( Consid