On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:41:14AM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> Package: general
> Severity: serious
> Justification: DFSG
>
> raff.debian.org uses a Compaq Smart 5i RAID card. A flash memory is used
> to store the firmware. While the firmware is freely downloadable (as in
> beer) on HP website
Am 2008-10-21 13:52:03, schrieb Pierre Habouzit:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:38:31AM +, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> > And we should delay the release by 5 years until we have them...
>
> I fear the hardware will be old at that time???
Not realy since we have currently an economic crises,
the wor
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:53:46PM +, Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Mi, 22 Okt 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > In the end, all these discussions showed that many people here don't
> > > give a piss for the users.
> >
> > Many? I only see 2 or 3 of them around.
>
> Ok, many *loud* voices ..
On Mi, 22 Okt 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > In the end, all these discussions showed that many people here don't
> > give a piss for the users.
>
> Many? I only see 2 or 3 of them around.
Ok, many *loud* voices ...
How many times did I see that binary firmware discussion in my few years
as D
"Kelly Clowers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> As a mere user I very glad that Debian stands where it does on the
> spectrum of caring about users vs caring about freedom. It is one of
> the major reasons I am a user of Debian.
Hear, hear.
More specifically, I am very appreciative of the promise
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 07:23:35PM -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> As a mere user I very glad that Debian stands where it does on the
> spectrum of caring about users vs caring about freedom. It is one of
> the major reasons I am a user of Debian.
Seconded.
--
Noah Slater, http://bytesexual.org/ns
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:41:14AM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> Package: general
> Severity: serious
> Justification: DFSG
>
> raff.debian.org uses a Compaq Smart 5i RAID card. A flash memory is used
> to store the firmware. While the firmware is freely downloadable (as in
> beer) on HP website
Le mercredi 22 octobre 2008 à 01:14 +0200, Norbert Preining a écrit :
> In the end, all these discussions showed that many people here don't
> give a piss for the users.
Many? I only see 2 or 3 of them around.
--
.''`.
: :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code.
`. `'
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Norbert Preining <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Di, 21 Okt 2008, Luca Niccoli wrote:
>> > raff.debian.org uses a Compaq Smart 5i RAID card. A flash memory is used
>> > to store the firmware. While the firmware is freely downloadable (as in
>> > beer) on HP website
On Di, 21 Okt 2008, Luca Niccoli wrote:
> > raff.debian.org uses a Compaq Smart 5i RAID card. A flash memory is used
> > to store the firmware. While the firmware is freely downloadable (as in
> > beer) on HP website [1], we don't have the corresponding source code.
>
> May I ask how many computer
Le Tuesday 21 October 2008 22:28:31 Lennart Sorensen, vous avez écrit :
> > If I recall well, one of the origin of the GNU fondation was the fact
> > that having free drivers alowed one to actually *fix* issues he may have
> > with his *own* hardware. Then, the very same reasoning can apply to
> >
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 01:30:42PM +0200, Romain Beauxis wrote:
> Agreed, though it does not restrain us from asking for free firmware.
>
> If I recall well, one of the origin of the GNU fondation was the fact that
> having free drivers alowed one to actually *fix* issues he may have with his
>
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:41:14AM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> Package: general
> Severity: serious
> Justification: DFSG
>
> raff.debian.org uses a Compaq Smart 5i RAID card. A flash memory is used
> to store the firmware. While the firmware is freely downloadable (as in
> beer) on HP website
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008, Romain Beauxis wrote:
> If I recall well, one of the origin of the GNU fondation was the fact that
> having free drivers alowed one to actually *fix* issues he may have with his
> *own* hardware. Then, the very same reasoning can apply to binary firmware.
Hardware can suff
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:38:31AM +, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> Romain Beauxis a écrit :
> > Le Tuesday 21 October 2008 13:10:28 Peter Clifton, vous avez écrit :
> >> Having no source-code for firmware is hardly that different to having a
> >> completely open-source driver which does un-told magi
On 2008-10-21 14:30, Romain Beauxis wrote:
> Le Tuesday 21 October 2008 13:10:28 Peter Clifton, vous avez écrit :
>
>> Having no source-code for firmware is hardly that different to having a
>> completely open-source driver which does un-told magic by poking
>> un-documented registers in a compl
Romain Beauxis a écrit :
> Le Tuesday 21 October 2008 13:10:28 Peter Clifton, vous avez écrit :
>> Having no source-code for firmware is hardly that different to having a
>> completely open-source driver which does un-told magic by poking
>> un-documented registers in a complex chip. Think Intel gr
Le Tuesday 21 October 2008 13:10:28 Peter Clifton, vous avez écrit :
> Having no source-code for firmware is hardly that different to having a
> completely open-source driver which does un-told magic by poking
> un-documented registers in a complex chip. Think Intel graphics before
> they released
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 12:45 +0200, Luca Niccoli wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Aurelien Jarno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > raff.debian.org uses a Compaq Smart 5i RAID card. A flash memory is used
> > to store the firmware. While the firmware is freely downloadable (as in
> > beer)
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Aurelien Jarno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> raff.debian.org uses a Compaq Smart 5i RAID card. A flash memory is used
> to store the firmware. While the firmware is freely downloadable (as in
> beer) on HP website [1], we don't have the corresponding source code.
Le mardi 21 octobre 2008 11:41:14, vous avez écrit :
> Package: general
> Severity: serious
> Justification: DFSG
>
> raff.debian.org uses a Compaq Smart 5i RAID card. A flash memory is used
> to store the firmware. While the firmware is freely downloadable (as in
> beer) on HP website [1], we don'
Package: general
Severity: serious
Justification: DFSG
raff.debian.org uses a Compaq Smart 5i RAID card. A flash memory is used
to store the firmware. While the firmware is freely downloadable (as in
beer) on HP website [1], we don't have the corresponding source code.
I suggest that someone work
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