Re: Bug#709758: Replacing a binary package by another one(was: Communication issue?)

2013-09-06 Thread David Kalnischkies
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org wrote: On 2013-09-05 11:15, David Kalnischkies wrote: [ Provides/Replaces up thread ] The policy defines two uses of Replaces: […] So my simple question is, which combination of relations should that be that tells a smart

Re: Bug#709758: Replacing a binary package by another one(was: Communication issue?)

2013-09-06 Thread Simon McVittie
On 06/09/13 10:17, David Kalnischkies wrote: For example, you made mplayer2 now an upgrade for mplayer. I am not sure that is what their maintainers/upstreams intend. (maybe it is, but I am not keen on letting foo2/foo-ng maintainer decide what is a good upgrade path for foo – that should

Re: Bug#709758: Replacing a binary package by another one(was: Communication issue?)

2013-09-06 Thread David Kalnischkies
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Simon McVittie s...@debian.org wrote: On 06/09/13 10:17, David Kalnischkies wrote: For example, you made mplayer2 now an upgrade for mplayer. I am not sure that is what their maintainers/upstreams intend. (maybe it is, but I am not keen on letting foo2/foo-ng

Re: Bug#709758: Replacing a binary package by another one(was: Communication issue?)

2013-09-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 03:16:34PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: On 06/09/13 10:17, David Kalnischkies wrote: For example, you made mplayer2 now an upgrade for mplayer. I am not sure that is what their maintainers/upstreams intend. (maybe it is, but I am not keen on letting foo2/foo-ng

Re: Bug#709758: Replacing a binary package by another one(was: Communication issue?)

2013-09-06 Thread David Kalnischkies
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: Now, maybe apt could consider a package a replacement only if pkgA Replaces/Provides pkgB, *and* pkgB is no longer available. Are there cases where that would give the wrong result? Is it practical to implement? Depends

Re: Bug#709758: Replacing a binary package by another one(was: Communication issue?)

2013-09-05 Thread David Kalnischkies
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk wrote: On 2013-09-04, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: Unless apt has gotten smarter recently (which is not out of the question), no. It's a common misconception that apt will care about Provides/Replaces for selecting new

Re: Bug#709758: Replacing a binary package by another one(was: Communication issue?)

2013-09-05 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2013-09-05 11:15, David Kalnischkies wrote: [ Provides/Replaces up thread ] The policy defines two uses of Replaces: […] So my simple question is, which combination of relations should that be that tells a smart package manager to upgrade pkgA to pkgB ? What about pkgB replacing and

Re: Bug#709758: Replacing a binary package by another one(was: Communication issue?)

2013-09-04 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Mittwoch, 4. September 2013, Norbert Preining wrote: Yes, and? Was the dist-upgrade disturbed? We are talking about normal systems, that is having telxive or texlive-full installed. Not pathological cases of only t-l-d installed. wheezy has: Package: texlive-lang Binary:

Re: Bug#709758: Replacing a binary package by another one(was: Communication issue?)

2013-09-04 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mi, 04 Sep 2013, Holger Levsen wrote: which other binary packages build by texlive-lang do you consider pathological to use? I considered the installation of one -lang package by itself without actual latex package pathological. Holger, who considers just to build-depend on

Re: Bug#709758: Replacing a binary package by another one(was: Communication issue?)

2013-09-04 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 04/09/13 at 20:52 +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: On Mi, 04 Sep 2013, Holger Levsen wrote: which other binary packages build by texlive-lang do you consider pathological to use? I considered the installation of one -lang package by itself without actual latex package pathological. OK,

Re: Bug#709758: Replacing a binary package by another one(was: Communication issue?)

2013-09-04 Thread Ian Jackson
clone 709758 -1 reassign -1 src:texlive-lang retitle -1 Transitional packages for going-away texlive-lang-* thanks I'm cloning the original bug report to make a new report for this issue as described by Lucas: Lucas Nussbaum writes (Re: Bug#709758: Replacing a binary package by another one(was:

Re: Bug#709758: Replacing a binary package by another one(was: Communication issue?)

2013-09-04 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-09-04, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: Unless apt has gotten smarter recently (which is not out of the question), no. It's a common misconception that apt will care about Provides/Replaces for selecting new packages on dist-upgrade, but while it seems like a nice idea, TTBOMK

Re: Bug#709758: Replacing a binary package by another one(was: Communication issue?)

2013-09-04 Thread Norbert Preining
severity 721838 whishlist tags 721838 pending thanks Norbert PREINING, Norbert http://www.preining.info JAIST, Japan TeX Live Debian Developer DSA: 0x09C5B094