Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-31 Thread Russ Allbery
Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * "unstable" is actually frozen, which means uploads for unstable are > either discouraged, they remain in the limbo, or they are automatically > put in some other distribution above unstable, like new-unstable, until > testing or unstable becomes the ne

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-31 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 11:36:06AM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 03:43, Miles Bader wrote: > > Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Actually I am glad somebody is working public visible on the release > >> issues and would not critisize him for that. > > > > Point

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-31 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 11:22:20AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > I noticed that Adrian moved a bug report for a kernel in sid (2.6.10 > > IIRC) to the 2.6.8 kernel so it appeared as a Sarge RC Bug? I didn't > > see anything that showed that it was a 2.6.8 problem, maybe it is, but > > it looked li

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-31 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, May 31, 2005 03:43, Miles Bader wrote: > Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Actually I am glad somebody is working public visible on the release >> issues and would not critisize him for that. > > Pointing out a problem is nice, but doing so in an obnoxious manner > hurts. I wo

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-31 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, 31 May 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 03:45:07PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > Or do you _really_ want to release sarge with many dozens of already > > > known and fixed bugs? > > > > I'd worry about it more if we hadn't suffered from the same o

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-31 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 04:07:11PM +1200, Nigel Jones wrote: > I noticed that Adrian moved a bug report for a kernel in sid (2.6.10 > IIRC) to the 2.6.8 kernel so it appeared as a Sarge RC Bug? I didn't > see anything that showed that it was a 2.6.8 problem, maybe it is, but > it looked like seco

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-31 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 03:45:07PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Adrian Bunk wrote: > > Or do you _really_ want to release sarge with many dozens of already > > known and fixed bugs? > > I'd worry about it more if we hadn't suffered from the same or similar > problems with ever previous Debian releas

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-30 Thread Nigel Jones
I noticed that Adrian moved a bug report for a kernel in sid (2.6.10 (BIIRC) to the 2.6.8 kernel so it appeared as a Sarge RC Bug? I didn't (Bsee anything that showed that it was a 2.6.8 problem, maybe it is, but (Bit looked like second guessing to me... (B (BHow is this helping Sarge? If it

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-30 Thread Miles Bader
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Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-30 Thread Joey Hess
Adrian Bunk wrote: > Or do you _really_ want to release sarge with many dozens of already > known and fixed bugs? I'd worry about it more if we hadn't suffered from the same or similar problems with ever previous Debian release, TBPH. Even back when we froze unstable, this just pushed certian bug

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-30 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > Do you think you could manage to leave your critisms til next week when > we might have released and turn them into constructive criticisms > instead of merely demanding pieces of information from the release team? He is warning about a big number of onr

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-30 Thread Steve McIntyre
Russ Allbery wrote: >Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Or do you _really_ want to release sarge with many dozens of already >> known and fixed bugs? > >Yes. Given the number of packages in Debian, some amount of this is >inevitable. We'll live. > >And you're not just providing constru

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-30 Thread Russ Allbery
Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Or do you _really_ want to release sarge with many dozens of already > known and fixed bugs? Yes. Given the number of packages in Debian, some amount of this is inevitable. We'll live. And you're not just providing constructive feedback. You're also

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-30 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 12:17:29PM +0100, Simon Huggins wrote: > Adrian, I've noticed lately that almost every post you send is about the > release; Pointing out problems with some feature or other of it or with > the actions of the hard working people who are trying to get sarge out > the door. >

Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-30 Thread Simon Huggins
Adrian, I've noticed lately that almost every post you send is about the release; Pointing out problems with some feature or other of it or with the actions of the hard working people who are trying to get sarge out the door. Do you think you could manage to leave your critisms til next week when