Re: Inquiry about armel support for Debian upgrades post-Trixie

2025-09-21 Thread Helmut Grohne
ards with a different architecture. There still are some options left. As of now, armel is still in the Debian archive and still building packages. Packages will degrade (e.g. stop building). This will be particularly noticeable when it comes to atomic operations as armel tends to require -latomic in

Re: 32-bit architectures (was: Request to reconsider i386 (x86) port for Debian 13)

2025-09-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
(sorry for the late reply) On Sun, Aug 17, 2025 at 01:35:08PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > If the 32-bit ports are going to survive, then the affected packages either > need to be cross-compiled from a 64-bit architecture (which is not something > that Debian has traditionally don

Re: Specify exact version in debian/control file?

2025-09-17 Thread Soren Stoutner
nee-dedicated for using < If you are just asking about the required syntax, I think what you are looking for is << (just < is not a valid syntax for this field). https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html > > What's the proper way to ensure that nwnxee version

Re: mode=git and no tags (Was: debian/watch version 5)

2025-09-10 Thread Yadd
changes on git submodule Maybe consult man debian-watch and note that afaik the newline after Version: 5 is mandatory. By chance I forgot this hint and it works even without the newline. Thanks a lot for your hints Cheers, Yadd

Re: mode=git and no tags (Was: debian/watch version 5)

2025-09-10 Thread Andreas Tille
> Maybe consult man debian-watch and note that afaik the newline after > Version: 5 is mandatory. By chance I forgot this hint and it works even without the newline. Thanks a lot for your hints Andreas. -- https://fam-tille.de

Re: mode=git and no tags (Was: debian/watch version 5)

2025-09-10 Thread Carl Keinath
Pattern: HEAD Mode: git Git-Pretty: 0.0~git%cd Maybe consult man debian-watch and note that afaik the newline after Version: 5 is mandatory. Best, -- Carl signature.asc Description: PGP signature

mode=git and no tags (Was: debian/watch version 5)

2025-09-10 Thread Andreas Tille
uickly and retrieves nothing. A dedicated Template for this would be a great help. Kind regards Andreas. [1] https://salsa.debian.org/go-team/packages/golang-github-jacobsa-timeutil/-/blob/master/debian/watch?ref_type=heads -- https://fam-tille.de

Re: Specify exact version in debian/control file?

2025-09-09 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
tch with 8193.37.16 but > >>> not 8193.37.15. > >>> > >>> If I write nwnxee depends as `nwnee-dedicated (>= 8193.37.15), > >>> nwnee-dedicated (<8193.37.16)`, then I get a deprecated warning for > >>> nwnee-dedicated for

Re: Specify exact version in debian/control file?

2025-09-09 Thread Julien Lecomte
ust < is not a valid syntax for this field). I guess the << works. Thanks! https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html What's the proper way to ensure that nwnxee version is always the same major.minor.patch nwnee-dedicated ? Are the produced from the

Specify exact version in debian/control file?

2025-09-09 Thread Julien Lecomte
Hello I'm trying to create a package nwnxee that depends on package nwnee-dedicated. But both versions must be the same. If nwnxee is installed as version 8193.37.15+deb12u2~git18cffdba, then nwnee-dedicated must be 8193.37.15-xyz, where xyz can be any number. It can not be 8193.37.14-xyz n

Re: Specify exact version in debian/control file?

2025-09-09 Thread Soren Stoutner
On Tuesday, September 9, 2025 1:15:20 PM Mountain Standard Time Julien Lecomte wrote: > Hello > > I'm trying to create a package nwnxee that depends on package > nwnee-dedicated. > > But both versions must be the same. If nwnxee is installed as version > 8193.37.15+deb12u2~git18cffdba, then nwne

Re: BROKEN! DO NOT UPGRADE (was: Re: Updated Debian 13: 13.1 released)

2025-09-07 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Debian chose systemd, Devuan chose InitV. so you as user can choose whatever you want, I wouldn't say Devuan chose SysV but Devuan does let me choose runit during the netiso install and thankfully Debian has the init freedom project. I wouldn't call mentioning observations a rant.

Re: BROKEN! DO NOT UPGRADE (was: Re: Updated Debian 13: 13.1 released)

2025-09-07 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On 07/09/2025 15:20, Marc Haber wrote: On Sun, Sep 07, 2025 at 12:37:10PM -, Kevin Chadwick wrote: Is systemd-networkd the default on Debian? Sadly, no. It is the best network management tool for configuration managed servers I have seen in 25 People said that about systemd which

Re: why package Signal in Debian? (was Re: Bug#1113746: ITP: node-noop6 -- No operation as a module using an arrow function)

2025-09-07 Thread Wookey
from any of the above issues). A debian package that actually built from source would be a massive boon (assuming that OWS will actually let it connect - do they?). So yes please, don't abandon the ITP. This issue of software that requires a very high update frequency is probably only goin

Re: BROKEN! DO NOT UPGRADE (was: Re: Updated Debian 13: 13.1 released)

2025-09-07 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, Sep 07, 2025 at 12:37:10PM -, Kevin Chadwick wrote: Is systemd-networkd the default on Debian? Sadly, no. It is the best network management tool for configuration managed servers I have seen in 25 years of Linux experiences. It is totally useable since bookworm and has the best

Re: Inquiry about armel support for Debian upgrades post-Trixie

2025-09-07 Thread Christoph Biedl
Haddad, Serge wrote... > Could you please clarify whether armel will be supported during future > upgrades from Trixie to Forky (and even Duke)? Short answer: There will not be such a support. So, as of today, Debian 14 ("trixie") will be the last release to support armel, with

BROKEN! DO NOT UPGRADE (was: Re: Updated Debian 13: 13.1 released)

2025-09-07 Thread Bjørn Mork
> | systemd [64]| New upstream stable release | I am very disappointed that Debian has made a stable point release with a critical system package being this broken. Even being KNOWN broken. This is not the Debian I have been used to. Some network configurations res

Re: BROKEN! DO NOT UPGRADE (was: Re: Updated Debian 13: 13.1 released)

2025-09-07 Thread Kevin Chadwick
on Debian? If so, why? I switched a Ubuntu server to Devuan because of another issue of systemd-networkd repeatedly bringing the interface up and down. Switching to network manager fixed it but I decided on Devuan anyway. Why is buggy poorly designed code being installed because it has systemd in i

Re: Inquiry about armel support for Debian upgrades post-Trixie

2025-09-05 Thread Andrea Pappacoda
On Fri Sep 5, 2025 at 3:50 PM CEST, Christoph Biedl wrote: [...] So, as of today, Debian 14 ("trixie") will be the last release to support armel [...] Just for clarity: Debian "trixie" is number 13, not 14.

Re: Inquiry about armel support for Debian upgrades post-Trixie

2025-09-05 Thread Stefan Monnier
port for Trixie runs out (presumably around 2028), your best hope would presumably be to see if some group of enthusiasts decided to try and preserve a Debian-derived distribution specifically for armel, and if there's no such thing I'd see if maybe OpenWRT still supports it. Stefan

Re: Inquiry about armel support for Debian upgrades post-Trixie

2025-09-05 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2025-09-05 at 15:50 +0200, Christoph Biedl wrote: > Haddad, Serge wrote... > > > Could you please clarify whether armel will be supported during future > > upgrades from Trixie to Forky (and even Duke)? > > Short answer: There will not be such a support. > &

Re: why package Signal in Debian?

2025-09-05 Thread Joerg Jaspert
reason to not upload to unstable. Its a downstreams problem to block it somehow if they dont want it in their release/longterm support, but its not on Debian. Put it in unstable and block it from testing, thats all fine. (One could think of, maybe, a flag in the package control files somehow

Re: Inquiry about armel support for Debian upgrades post-Trixie

2025-09-05 Thread Christoph Biedl
Andrea Pappacoda wrote... > On Fri Sep 5, 2025 at 3:50 PM CEST, Christoph Biedl wrote: > > [...] > > So, as of today, Debian 14 ("trixie") will be the last release to > > support armel > > [...] > > Just for clarity: Debian "trixie" is

Re: Inquiry about armel support for Debian upgrades post-Trixie

2025-09-05 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Fri, Sep 05, 2025 at 12:14:47PM +, Haddad, Serge wrote: Our systems in the field run on an armv5 chip (armel architecture) which we can't replace with newer boards with a different architecture. Could you please clarify whether armel will be supported during future upgrades from Trixie

Inquiry about armel support for Debian upgrades post-Trixie

2025-09-05 Thread Haddad, Serge
Dear Debian Team, I hope you're doing well. We came across this note<https://www.debian.org/releases/trixie/release-notes/issues.html#last-release-for-armel:~:text=trixie%20will%20be%20the%20last%20release%20for%20the%20armel%20architecture.%20Debian%20recommends%2C%20where%20pos

Re: why package Signal in Debian?

2025-09-04 Thread Simon McVittie
On Thu, 04 Sep 2025 at 08:45:58 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Do we have a documented way of marking an RC bug as being a persistent blocking bug to prevent a package from entering testing, as opposed to some other transient problem that is expected to be fixed, so that Ubuntu could trigger off of t

Re: why package Signal in Debian? (was Re: Bug#1113746: ITP: node-noop6 -- No operation as a module using an arrow function)

2025-09-04 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
> > I would encourage you to > start packaging signal-desktop and than we can find answers along the way. > A lot of discussion will get easier if signal-desktop is packaged, as than > everyone can look at the package; sneak into the code etc. > On one side you're completely right, on the other ha

Re: why package Signal in Debian?

2025-09-04 Thread Russ Allbery
hings into universe that have RC bugs, or at least that class of RC bugs. It feels weird to make Debian upload decisions based on an Ubuntu practice with obvious flaws, and it's easier to find and use packages in unstable. Maybe we can instead help Ubuntu do something more sensible. Do we

Re: debian/watch version 5

2025-09-04 Thread Andreas Tille
file https://salsa.debian.org/science-team/minlog/-/blob/master/debian/watch?ref_type=heads which results in $ LC_ALL=C uscan --verbose --report ... uscan info: Last orig.tar.* tarball version (dversionmangled): 4.0.99.20100221 Cloning into bare repository '../minlog-temporary.533865.git'..

Re: why package Signal in Debian? (was Re: Bug#1113746: ITP: node-noop6 -- No operation as a module using an arrow function)

2025-09-04 Thread Stephan Verbücheln
Since I have not checked recently, I did not know about that project. Thank you for the tip. Regards signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: why package Signal in Debian?

2025-09-04 Thread Simon McVittie
On Thu, 04 Sep 2025 at 11:19:49 +0200, Hefee wrote: If upstream is that aggressive with old version, than yes the normal Debian stable is not working for signal- desktop. But it can be used in unstable/testing and -backports. If forky release is taking place you can use a release-critical bug

Re: why package Signal in Debian? (was Re: Bug#1113746: ITP: node-noop6 -- No operation as a module using an arrow function)

2025-09-04 Thread Hefee
Hey, I would love to see signal-desktop in Debian. If upstream is that aggressive with old version, than yes the normal Debian stable is not working for signal- desktop. But it can be used in unstable/testing and -backports. If forky release is taking place you can use a release-critical bug

Re: why package Signal in Debian? (was Re: Bug#1113746: ITP: node-noop6 -- No operation as a module using an arrow function)

2025-09-03 Thread Sebastian Reichel
Hi, On Tue, Sep 02, 2025 at 11:49:59AM +, Stephan Verbücheln wrote: > To my knowledge, no one has ever successfully packaged signal-desktop. > Even the Flatpak build script just downloads the binaries from > signal.org and unpacks the DEB file. > > https://github.com/flathub/org.signal.Signal

Re: debian/watch version 5

2025-09-03 Thread Andrea Pappacoda
Hi, > Il giorno 1 set 2025, alle ore 22:59, Peter B ha > scritto: > > Had a quick look at some of these. > Is a blank line needed after the first line with "Version: 5" in it? > Yes, the version has to live in its own paragraph. See the manpage debian-watc

Re: why package Signal in Debian? (was Re: Bug#1113746: ITP: node-noop6 -- No operation as a module using an arrow function)

2025-09-03 Thread Jérémy Lal
Le mar. 2 sept. 2025 à 23:07, Josh Triplett a écrit : > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > On Tue Sep 2, 2025 at 3:23 AM BST, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: > > > This package will be maintained by the Debian Javascript team. It's a > > > requirement for signal-desktop

why package Signal in Debian? (was Re: Bug#1113746: ITP: node-noop6 -- No operation as a module using an arrow function)

2025-09-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue Sep 2, 2025 at 3:23 AM BST, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: This package will be maintained by the Debian Javascript team. It's a requirement for signal-desktop. I use and value Signal, but what's the point of packaging signal-desktop in Debian? Surely the packaged c

Re: debian/watch version 5

2025-09-03 Thread Peter B
On 01/09/2025 21:09, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: ..snip.. And according to UDD there are a few other that are failing: ..snip Had a quick look at some of these. Is a blank line needed after the first line with "Version: 5" in it? Cheers, Peter

Re: why package Signal in Debian? (was Re: Bug#1113746: ITP: node-noop6 -- No operation as a module using an arrow function)

2025-09-03 Thread Roland Clobus
On 02/09/2025 13:32, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Tue Sep 2, 2025 at 3:23 AM BST, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: This package will be maintained by the Debian Javascript team.  It's a requirement for signal-desktop. I use and value Signal, but what's the point of packaging signal-d

Re: debian/watch version 5

2025-09-03 Thread Andrea Pappacoda
On Tue Sep 2, 2025 at 9:14 AM CEST, Marc Haber wrote: It would be nice if uscan would recognize both version= and Version:. It currently gets confused and falls back to more ancient versions, giving misleading error messages, when one accidentally starts a v5 file with "version=5", which is an

Re: why package Signal in Debian? (was Re: Bug#1113746: ITP: node-noop6 -- No operation as a module using an arrow function)

2025-09-02 Thread Josh Triplett
Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Tue Sep 2, 2025 at 3:23 AM BST, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: > > This package will be maintained by the Debian Javascript team. It's a > > requirement for signal-desktop. > > I use and value Signal, but what's the point of packaging >

Re: why package Signal in Debian? (was Re: Bug#1113746: ITP: node-noop6 -- No operation as a module using an arrow function)

2025-09-02 Thread Sergio Durigan Junior
t; On Tue, Sep 2, 2025, 7:33 AM Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >> On Tue Sep 2, 2025 at 3:23 AM BST, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: >> > This package will be maintained by the Debian Javascript team. It's a >> > requirement for signal-desktop. >> >> I use and va

Re: why package Signal in Debian? (was Re: Bug#1113746: ITP: node-noop6 -- No operation as a module using an arrow function)

2025-09-02 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
maintained by the Debian Javascript team. It's a > > requirement for signal-desktop. > > I use and value Signal, but what's the point of packaging signal-desktop > in Debian? Surely the packaged client will perennially be too > out-of-date to connect to the servers

Re: why package Signal in Debian? (was Re: Bug#1113746: ITP: node-noop6 -- No operation as a module using an arrow function)

2025-09-02 Thread Stephan Verbücheln
To my knowledge, no one has ever successfully packaged signal-desktop. Even the Flatpak build script just downloads the binaries from signal.org and unpacks the DEB file. https://github.com/flathub/org.signal.Signal/blob/master/org.signal.Signal.yaml#L73 Same for the ebuild in Gentoo Linux. http

Re: why package Signal in Debian? (was Re: Bug#1113746: ITP: node-noop6 -- No operation as a module using an arrow function)

2025-09-02 Thread Paul R. Tagliamonte
> > This package will be maintained by the Debian Javascript team. It's a > > requirement for signal-desktop. > > I use and value Signal, but what's the point of packaging signal-desktop > in Debian? Surely the packaged client will perennially be too > out-of-date t

Re: debian/watch version 5

2025-09-02 Thread Marc Haber
h. See the manpage debian-watch, “Format of the Watch file, version 5”. It would be nice if uscan would recognize both version= and Version:. It currently gets confused and falls back to more ancient versions, giving misleading error messages, when one accidentally starts a v5 file with "ve

Re: debian/watch version 5

2025-09-01 Thread Niels Thykier
Andrea Pappacoda: Hi, Il giorno 1 set 2025, alle ore 22:59, Peter B ha scritto: Had a quick look at some of these. Is a blank line needed after the first line with "Version: 5" in it? Yes, the version has to live in its own paragraph. See the manpage debian-watch, “Format of

Re: debian/watch version 5

2025-09-01 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 01/09/25 at 10:24 -0400, Jeremy BÍcha wrote: > On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 4:25 PM Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > I updated the vendorized copy of devscripts in UDD to version 2.25.18, > > and then forced a refresh of version:5 packages. > > Everything works fine. > > > > udd=> select source, version, e

Re: debian/watch version 5

2025-09-01 Thread Jeremy BÍcha
On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 4:25 PM Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > I updated the vendorized copy of devscripts in UDD to version 2.25.18, > and then forced a refresh of version:5 packages. > Everything works fine. > > udd=> select source, version, errors, warnings, status from upstream where > watch_file ~*

Salsa CI can now check if the debian/copyright is up-to-date

2025-08-26 Thread aquilamacedo
Hi, A new optional job is now available in Salsa CI: licenserecon. It checks for mismatches between debian/copyright and the licenses actually detected in the source. This hopefully benefits both new packages to decrease chances of getting rejected in the NEW queue, and existing packages to keep

Re: Gerrit and different merge UIs (was: debian/watch version 5)

2025-08-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes ("Gerrit and different merge UIs (was: debian/watch version 5)"): > One feature I do still miss from Gerrit that I don't think GitHub has is > the ability to merge a single commit from a merge request composed of > multiple commits. With GitHub, so

Re: On using Merge Requests on Salsa (Re: debian/watch version 5)

2025-08-24 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 22/08/25 at 13:15 -0700, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > Maybe we can have more of this, but note that we already have at least > 7 avenues for the information about an open MR can reach the > maintainer: https://wiki2025.debian.org/wiki/Salsa. I think this > ultimately boils down to people who dislike

Re: On using Merge Requests on Salsa (Re: debian/watch version 5)

2025-08-23 Thread Otto Kekäläinen
hosting. For e2fsprogs it is https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/fs/ext2/e2fsprogs.git The Vcs-Git field is relevant in the context of discussing reviewing MRs, as contributors would submit MRs on Salsa only if the package Vcs-Git field advertises Salsa. > It's rather deliberlately not under the d

Re: On using Merge Requests on Salsa (Re: debian/watch version 5)

2025-08-22 Thread Theodore Tso
lly, I do have a repo on Salsa: https://salsa.debian.org/tytso/e2fsprogs It's rather deliberlately not under the debian hierarchy because I do *not* believe in letting random people submit changes to the repo, and unlike those who were apparently taken by surprise, I had taken a very car

Re: On using Merge Requests on Salsa (Re: debian/watch version 5)

2025-08-22 Thread Otto Kekäläinen
Hi! On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 at 05:57, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Sun, Aug 17, 2025 at 12:54:14AM -0700, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > > I am in fact mentoring two out of the nine GSoC students we have, plus > > a dozen other new contributors as part of regular mentoring under the

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-21 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi Andreas, On 21/08/25 at 14:37 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > My (possibly wrong, but to be > discussed) interpretation is that for a package in the Debian/ group I > should be able to do > >dch --team I think that's our core disagreement: I see the Salsa 'debian

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there

2025-08-21 Thread Soren Stoutner
On Wednesday, August 20, 2025 10:00:08 PM Mountain Standard Time Marc Haber wrote: > On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 01:01:28 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard > > wrote: > >LowThreshold NMUs recommend coordination ahead of non-maintainer uploads > >and are limited to non-important changes. > > > >What I object to is

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-21 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 16:08:50 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: >Am Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 03:21:04PM +0200 schrieb Marc Haber: >> > If the data >> > shows activity in the last release cycle, I would contact them before >> > uploading. If not, I would consider the package de facto orphaned and >> > proceed

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-21 Thread NoisyCoil
On 21/08/25 15:25, Holger Levsen wrote: and I'm in favor of sometimes giving random newbees git commit access, this has worked very well in the past for Debian Edu and also Reproducible Builds. Obviously this doesnt work for all repos or all groups, but it*is* totally fine for some. H

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-21 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Marc Am Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 03:21:04PM +0200 schrieb Marc Haber: > > If the data > > shows activity in the last release cycle, I would contact them before > > uploading. If not, I would consider the package de facto orphaned and > > proceed. > > Dont we have the salvaging process for that? I

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-21 Thread Holger Levsen
people to review them. Non-DDs > (e.g. DMs, or regular contributors) can be given access on a case-by-case > basis. and I'm in favor of sometimes giving random newbees git commit access, this has worked very well in the past for Debian Edu and also Reproducible Builds. Obviously this doe

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-21 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 02:37:22PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: If the data shows activity in the last release cycle, I would contact them before uploading. If not, I would consider the package de facto orphaned and proceed. Dont we have the salvaging process for that? I just went through that,

IME & YMMV (Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL))

2025-08-21 Thread Holger Levsen
upload rights to fewer people. -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ We’ve known SARS-CoV-2 reactivates latent viruses and damages immune systems since 2020. We still infected

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-21 Thread Andreas Tille
don't understand how far. What I would like to differentiate more clearly is the distinction between an NMU and a team upload. My (possibly wrong, but to be discussed) interpretation is that for a package in the Debian/ group I should be able to do dch --team and then upload as part of a

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-21 Thread NoisyCoil
On 21/08/25 12:13, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: This requires forking the project to their own namespace before they can submit a MR, which is a bit inconvenient. The possibility I am suggesting is to grant "Developer" access to fairly trusted non-DDs (and "Maintainer" access to DDs) at the group level

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-21 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Paul Gevers (2025-08-21 10:59:30) > On 21-08-2025 10:51, Marc Haber wrote: > > I really think that upload should be done by those persons in > > Uploaders > > Can we have an agreed content for the "debian team" in > Maintainer/Uploader? What I'm

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-21 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 8/21/25 11:26 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 21/08/25 at 10:59 +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: Hi, On 21-08-2025 10:51, Marc Haber wrote: I really think that upload should be done by those persons in Uploaders Can we have an agreed content for the "debian team" in Maintainer/Uploader

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-21 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 21/08/25 at 11:45 +0200, NoisyCoil wrote: > On 21/08/25 11:26, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > but if they can't get commit access before they are > > DDs, it makes it inconvienent for them to contribute. A dedicated team > > would allow to give access to non-DDs with limited privileges (for > > examp

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-21 Thread NoisyCoil
On 21/08/25 11:26, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: but if they can't get commit access before they are DDs, it makes it inconvienent for them to contribute. A dedicated team would allow to give access to non-DDs with limited privileges (for example using protected branches). I oppose this. Unless I misun

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-21 Thread Gioele Barabucci
On 21/08/25 10:59, Paul Gevers wrote: On 21-08-2025 10:51, Marc Haber wrote: I really think that upload should be done by those persons in Uploaders Can we have an agreed content for the "debian team" in Maintainer/Uploader? What I'm currently missing is the ability to say

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-21 Thread NoisyCoil
On 21/08/25 10:59, Paul Gevers wrote: Can we have an agreed content for the "debian team" in Maintainer/ Uploader? What I'm currently missing is the ability to say: this package isn't QA maintained, but everybody is free to upload. Maintainer: Debian Uploader: me and som

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-21 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 21/08/25 at 10:59 +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > Hi, > > On 21-08-2025 10:51, Marc Haber wrote: > > I really think that upload should be done by those persons in > > Uploaders > > > Can we have an agreed content for the "debian team" in Maintainer/Uploa

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there

2025-08-21 Thread Simon Josefsson
Paul Gevers writes: > Hi, > > On 21-08-2025 10:51, Marc Haber wrote: >> I really think that upload should be done by those persons in >> Uploaders > > > Can we have an agreed content for the "debian team" in > Maintainer/Uploader? What I'm current

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-21 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 07:46:31 +0200, tho...@goirand.fr wrote: >On Aug 20, 2025 11:55, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > >> What I oppose is the retrofitting of a new, not well defined policy on > >> the Debian group, to turn it into a "Debian Collaborative Maintenance > &g

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-21 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi, On 21-08-2025 10:51, Marc Haber wrote: I really think that upload should be done by those persons in Uploaders Can we have an agreed content for the "debian team" in Maintainer/Uploader? What I'm currently missing is the ability to say: this package isn't QA maint

The definition of Collaborative Maintenance group on salsa (was: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there)

2025-08-20 Thread Niels Thykier
tho...@goirand.fr: On Aug 20, 2025 11:55, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: What I oppose is the retrofitting of a new, not well defined policy on the Debian group, to turn it into a "Debian Collaborative Maintenance Team". Lucas Well, the "debian" namespace comes f

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-20 Thread thomas
On Aug 20, 2025 11:55, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > What I oppose is the retrofitting of a new, not well defined policy on > the Debian group, to turn it into a "Debian Collaborative Maintenance > Team". > > Lucas Well, the "debian" namespace comes from

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there

2025-08-20 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 01:01:28 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >LowThreshold NMUs recommend coordination ahead of non-maintainer uploads >and are limited to non-important changes. > >What I object to is uncoordinated uploads. > >Hope that makes sense. It absolutely does. I feel the same. Greetings

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there

2025-08-20 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 23:06:02 +0200, Carsten Leonhardt wrote: >Lucas Nussbaum writes: > >> Maybe, instead than retrofitting a policy on the debian salsa group, a >> good way to both clarify the situation and allow an opt-in mechanism >> would be to create another gr

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there

2025-08-20 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 10:05 AM Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > I was not describing sloppy drive-by, just drive-by. Me not releasing > the newest and most shiny upstream has to offer might be due to some > knowledge that I have as maintainer and that even a careful and 100% > well-intended driver-by c

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there

2025-08-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Jeremy Bicha (2025-08-21 00:14:12) > On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 10:05 AM Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > I was not describing sloppy drive-by, just drive-by. Me not releasing > > the newest and most shiny upstream has to offer might be due to some > > knowledge that I have as maintainer and that

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there

2025-08-20 Thread Carsten Leonhardt
Lucas Nussbaum writes: > Maybe, instead than retrofitting a policy on the debian salsa group, a > good way to both clarify the situation and allow an opt-in mechanism > would be to create another group on salsa, with rules clearly defined > from the start, and let maintainers d

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-20 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2025-08-19 Andreas Tille wrote: > Am Sun, Aug 17, 2025 at 11:37:42PM +0200 schrieb Lucas Nussbaum: >>> One point raised during the BoF was the need to better document the role >>> of the Debian/ group on Salsa. Not all developers are aware that being >>> part

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there

2025-08-20 Thread Simon Josefsson
e. > > My concern is that "rarely" or perhaps even "sometimes" progress sped > up by skipping human interaction is a net negative. > > I question if running fast and breaking things is what we want to aim > at in Debian. I think a better way to mitigate the neg

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there

2025-08-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
multiple packages, or I am aware of some details with newer upstream > >> > that makes me decide to hold back on pulling that into Debian just yet. > >> > Often I do so without formally tracking such details as bugreports - and > >> > even if I did (or if othe

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
s time with my previous posts in this thread. If above is what you've meant all along then I think I might have indeed, but... Quoting Andreas Tille (2025-08-01 08:51:06) > One point raised during the BoF was the need to better document the role > of the Debian/ group on Salsa. Not a

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-20 Thread Andreas Tille
ncerns. > > (reading it as the plural "you"...) > > I share Lucas' concern of you redefining the rules of the "debian" > namespace at Salsa. I understand that with “you redefining” you (=Jonas) are addressing me personally. At the same time, I see this discu

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there

2025-08-20 Thread Simon Josefsson
Jonas Smedegaard writes: > Quoting Simon Josefsson (2025-08-20 13:02:28) >> > Sometimes I am in the middle of some larger transition that involves >> > multiple packages, or I am aware of some details with newer upstream >> > that makes me decide to hold back on pul

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there

2025-08-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Simon Josefsson (2025-08-20 13:02:28) > > Sometimes I am in the middle of some larger transition that involves > > multiple packages, or I am aware of some details with newer upstream > > that makes me decide to hold back on pulling that into Debian just yet. > &g

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there

2025-08-20 Thread Simon Josefsson
other upstream releases that will use a more modern Debian gnulib git commit from the bundle, but none of this are excuses to prevent you to do an upload. > Sometimes I am in the middle of some larger transition that involves > multiple packages, or I am aware of some details with newer upst

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there

2025-08-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
d "Uploaders" still have a meaning. > > > > By using the "debian" namespace, I did not mean to invite anyone in > > Debian to do *uncoordinated* uploads (it has happened once, about a week > > ago, and that took me by surprise). > > Me too! I h

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-20 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 20/08/25 at 10:35 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi Jörg, > > Am Tue, Aug 19, 2025 at 11:15:36PM +0200 schrieb Joerg Jaspert: > > On 17691 March 1977, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > > > Maybe, instead than retrofitting a policy on the debian salsa group, a >

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-20 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 11:03:38AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: For me, the concern is not tied to specific packages. I have used this namespace for 100s of packages to encourage collaboration but with the assumption that "Maintainer" and "Uploaders" still have a meaning.

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there

2025-08-20 Thread Simon Josefsson
Jonas Smedegaard writes: > For me, the concern is not tied to specific packages. I have used this > namespace for 100s of packages to encourage collaboration but with the > assumption that "Maintainer" and "Uploaders" still have a meaning. > > By using the &q

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
you redefining the rules of the "debian" namespace at Salsa. For me, the concern is not tied to specific packages. I have used this namespace for 100s of packages to encourage collaboration but with the assumption that "Maintainer" and "Uploaders" still have a meanin

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there

2025-08-20 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2025-08-20 10:35, Andreas Tille wrote: @Lucas, one practical drawback is that moving a repository out of Debian/ requires opening an issue for the Salsa admins, since only they can remove repositories there. I would prefer to minimize the number of such tickets. Surely there could be a

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-20 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Jörg, Am Tue, Aug 19, 2025 at 11:15:36PM +0200 schrieb Joerg Jaspert: > On 17691 March 1977, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > Maybe, instead than retrofitting a policy on the debian salsa group, a > > good way to both clarify the situation and allow an opt-in mechanism >

Re: debian/watch version 5

2025-08-20 Thread Andreas Tille
Am Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 08:35:32AM +0200 schrieb Xavier: > BTW, I found a way to build a template for Gitlab I love to repeat: You rock! Thanks a lot Andreas. -- https://fam-tille.de

Re: debian/watch version 5

2025-08-19 Thread Xavier
efault configuration >>>> from d/upstream/metadata which would probably allow many packages to not >>>> need a d/watch anymore. >>> >>> Good idea, we can have the following behavior: >>> - if no debian/watch, look at debian/upstream/metadata >>>

Re: debian/watch version 5

2025-08-19 Thread Otto Kekäläinen
rt. If I pay 1000€ for an ice cream or for a car, the cost in both cases is the same but only the ice cream was 'expensive', meaning the cost was high compared to value. I think that in the vast majority of MRs in Debian, the benefits far outweigh the cost, and in particular for package &#

Re: debian group on salsa allowing any DD to upload packages hosted there (Was: Bits from the DPL)

2025-08-19 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 17691 March 1977, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Maybe, instead than retrofitting a policy on the debian salsa group, a good way to both clarify the situation and allow an opt-in mechanism would be to create another group on salsa, with rules clearly defined from the start, and let maintainers decide

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