Re: Debian+umsdos (fwd)

1995-12-19 Thread Simon Shapiro
OK! I submit. I was wrong. FAT is great for loading and booting floppies. I still maintain that it is a disaster for any serious OS as a storage medium. Even when we fake users and permissions. I am stubborn in a way :-) Simon P.S. Please ignore the below address and flame [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Debian+umsdos (fwd)

1995-12-19 Thread Raul Miller
Richard Kettlewell: Actually I think it would be a good thing if we could support Debian entirely over UMSDOS - being able to run Linux without having to mess around repartitioning hard discs is going to make a lot of people a lot more willing to try it. Unfortunately, UMSDOS isn't rea

Re: Debian+umsdos (fwd)

1995-12-19 Thread Raul Miller
Simon Shapiro: And why do we want this brain dead file system (which even M$ does not use for its own 1980 eras OS's) to boot a Unix O/S with? Please note that we shouldn't drop a user base just because Microsoft has stopped supporting them. More to the point, while "DOS" is a lousy operati

Re: Debian+umsdos (fwd)

1995-12-19 Thread Richard Kettlewell
Bruce Perens writes: >From: Simon Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> And why do we want this brain dead file system (which even M$ does >> not use for its own 1980 eras OS's) to boot a Unix O/S with? > >Because it is the lowest common denominator, and it would let people >alter the bootstrap floppy fr

Re: Debian+umsdos (fwd)

1995-12-18 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Simon Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > And why do we want this brain dead file system (which even M$ does not > use for its own 1980 eras OS's) to boot a Unix O/S with? Because it is the lowest common denominator, and it would let people alter the bootstrap floppy from a non-Linux system before

Re: Debian+umsdos (fwd)

1995-12-18 Thread Simon Shapiro
And why do we want this brain dead file system (which even M$ does not use for its own 1980 eras OS's) to boot a Unix O/S with? Simon P.S. Please ignore the below address and flame [EMAIL PROTECTED] He receives and answers mail :-) Simon Shapiro Bullet

Re: Debian+umsdos (fwd)

1995-12-18 Thread Richard Kettlewell
I've heard other reports of UMSDOS interacting badly with W95's long filename stuff. I'd put it down as a `backup first' thing for now - though I don't use either of them. > umsdos with windows '95 filesystem might be a problem... With > linux's msdos-fs I were not able to delete a director

Re: Debian+umsdos (fwd)

1995-12-18 Thread Raul Miller
Juhana K Kouhia: umsdos with windows '95 filesystem might be a problem... With linux's msdos-fs I were not able to delete a directory; only got 'directory is not empty'-message even the directory were empty. Are you sure this is because of w95? You can also get a directory into this sta

Re: Debian+umsdos (fwd)

1995-12-18 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Juhana K Kouhia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > umsdos with windows '95 filesystem might be a problem... Good point. What is necessary is for umssync to synchronize a Windows 95 filesystem, and umsdos to write long file names back where MS can find them and hash short names the same way MS does. Ums

Re: Debian+umsdos (fwd)

1995-12-18 Thread Juhana K Kouhia
umsdos with windows '95 filesystem might be a problem... With linux's msdos-fs I were not able to delete a directory; only got 'directory is not empty'-message even the directory were empty. Juhana

Re: Debian+umsdos (fwd)

1995-12-17 Thread Bruce Perens
Actually, I was thinking of using umsdos rather than minix as the filesystem for the installation root floppy. I haven't tried it yet. We'd need a package with the umsdos utilities (there's umssync, which synchronizes the directory contents with the "extended" directory after MSDOS has changed them

Debian+umsdos (fwd)

1995-12-17 Thread Ian Murdock
We should consider adding umsdos support to Debian 1.0. Alot of people ask about it. We shouldn't present umsdos as an alternative to installing Debian "for real", but we could at least give our users the option of using it. (It might also be useful as a "try it before you install it for real" f