Fixing the Debian Policy Manual to finally reflect changes from 2014 (was: "Is missing SysV-init support a bug?" on debian-devel)

2016-08-28 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Robert Edmonds: The relevant text from the policy manual, §9.11: [...] The Debian Policy Manual never got updated in the wake of the Debian systemd Hoo-Hah. It remains written from the viewpoint that System 5 init and rc are the defaults, and that upstart is a novelty addendum. Several

Fixing the Debian Policy Manual to finally reflect changes from 2014 (was: "Is missing SysV-init support a bug?" on debian-devel)

2016-08-28 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Robert Edmonds: The relevant text from the policy manual, §9.11: [...] Ansgar Burchardt: Was that changed since the default init system was changed? It pretty much still reads like Policy still assumes that sysvinit is the default init system. It also still mentions upstart in 9.11.1;

Re: QUESTION: Debian Policy: Manual pages

2008-02-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Bas Zoetekouw writes (Re: QUESTION: Debian Policy: Manual pages): Why a recommends? In order to satisfy the spirit of policy (every binary must have a man page) it would need to be a depends, imo. I think the point of policy is to ensure the manpage exists, not to require that it be installed

Re: QUESTION: Debian Policy: Manual pages

2008-02-24 Thread Marvin Renich
* Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080224 09:18]: Bas Zoetekouw writes (Re: QUESTION: Debian Policy: Manual pages): Why a recommends? In order to satisfy the spirit of policy (every binary must have a man page) it would need to be a depends, imo. I think the point of policy is to ensure

Re: QUESTION: Debian Policy: Manual pages

2008-02-16 Thread Harshula
Hi, Answers: a) Yes, they are *really* distributed in three separate tarballs. b) The three tarballs are not released in sync. Conclusion: 1) a.deb b.deb shall depend on c.deb 2) a.deb b.deb shall contain lintian overrides. Thanks for the useful feedback! [NOTE: If replying, please keep my

Re: QUESTION: Debian Policy: Manual pages

2008-02-15 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 14/02/2008, Russ Allbery wrote: I thought that tag in lintian already had a note that you should add an override if the man pages are shipped in a different package on which this package has a dependency. Apparently I was just imagining things. ISTR it's the case for icons in desktop/menu

Re: QUESTION: Debian Policy: Manual pages

2008-02-14 Thread Thibaut Paumard
Le 14 févr. 08 à 17:04, Harshula a écrit : Hi, re: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s12.1 --- Each program, utility, and function should have an associated manual page included in the same package. [...]

Re: QUESTION: Debian Policy: Manual pages

2008-02-14 Thread Leo costela Antunes
Hi Firstly, this kind of question would be better suited in the debian-mentors list. Harshula wrote: Here's the example: 1) a.tar.gz - a.deb 2) b.tar.gz - b.deb 3) c.tar.gz - c.deb Are they really distributed in three separate upstream tarballs? If they are, perhaps it would be better

Re: QUESTION: Debian Policy: Manual pages

2008-02-14 Thread Felipe Sateler
Harshula wrote: Hi, re: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s12.1 --- Each program, utility, and function should have an associated manual page included in the same package. It is suggested that all

QUESTION: Debian Policy: Manual pages

2008-02-14 Thread Harshula
Hi, re: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s12.1 --- Each program, utility, and function should have an associated manual page included in the same package. It is suggested that all configuration files also have a

Re: QUESTION: Debian Policy: Manual pages

2008-02-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 15 février 2008 à 03:04 +1100, Harshula a écrit : 1) a.tar.gz - a.deb 2) b.tar.gz - b.deb 3) c.tar.gz - c.deb c.tar.gz contains only documentation, including man pages for binaries/scripts in a.tar.gz and b.tar.gz. Then a and b should Recommend: c, regardless of how the

Re: QUESTION: Debian Policy: Manual pages

2008-02-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Harshula [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since c.deb contains all the man pages, running lintian on a.deb results in: --- W: m17n-db: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/m17n-db N: N: Each binary in /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /bin, /sbin or

Re: QUESTION: Debian Policy: Manual pages

2008-02-14 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Josselin! You wrote: Le vendredi 15 février 2008 à 03:04 +1100, Harshula a écrit : 1) a.tar.gz - a.deb 2) b.tar.gz - b.deb 3) c.tar.gz - c.deb c.tar.gz contains only documentation, including man pages for binaries/scripts in a.tar.gz and b.tar.gz. Then a and b should

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-29 Thread Christian Hudon
On Jun 22, Bruce Perens wrote Debian policy for systems 2.0 and above will be to have _no_editor_ as part of the base system. If you want an editor, you must install Ahh... That should put an end to the endless editor threads. I'm all for it. Christian PS Is the bruce-bunchofnumbers

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-28 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Francesco Tapparo) wrote on 22.06.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Jun 22, Kai Henningsen wrote [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Hudon) wrote on 21.06.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Newbies should *not* be dumped into vi by default. It's just too user-hostile. There's only

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-23 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Francesco Tapparo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course ae will be used in the boot disks, but in the default installation, joe must be the choiche, IMO. Debian policy for systems 2.0 and above will be to have _no_editor_ as part of the base system. If you want an editor, you must install -- Bruce

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-22 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Hudon) wrote on 21.06.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Newbies should *not* be dumped into vi by default. It's just too user-hostile. There's only one text mode editor that's not just as user-hostile, and that's ae. That one seems to be completely unacceptable as a

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-22 Thread Francesco Tapparo
On Jun 22, James Troup wrote Francesco Tapparo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joe is much better, IMO, and it's very newbie-friendly. hades|14:07:32 ~ [507] $ls -l $(type -path joe) $(type -path ae) -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root23968 May 5 01:36 /bin/ae -rwxr-xr-x 5 root root

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-21 Thread Christian Hudon
On Jun 17, Scott Ellis wrote I believe that the plan is to have them managed by update-alternatives, and therefore be symlinks. Less will probably have a higher priority than more, although I don't know who gets to win the war over which editor is best, although I suspect a vi varient on

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-21 Thread Scott K. Ellis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Christian Hudon wrote: On Jun 17, Scott Ellis wrote I believe that the plan is to have them managed by update-alternatives, and therefore be symlinks. Less will probably have a higher priority than more, although I don't know who

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-18 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, David Frey wrote: My comments on Christian's proposal (which is very good, thank you christian): TOPIC 1: policy for user and group ids (uids, gids) Wouldn't it be better to start the user uid range with 100 as most other Unices do? Sorry, but I don't get your point.

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-17 Thread David Frey
David Frey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: TOPIC 4: editor/pager policy What is the benefit of /usr/bin/sensible-{editor,pager}? Why don't we just default to EDITOR=/usr/bin/vi and PAGER=/usr/bin/more if both variables are unset? (auch, don't beat me) That might enable us to get

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-17 Thread Scott Ellis
On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, David Frey wrote: The files /usr/bin/{editor,pager} will be managed through alternatives. Since alternatives can be changed by the sysadmin only, we allow the user to define EDITOR and PAGER to override this. That's why we need sensible-{editor,pager}. These are

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-16 Thread Mark Baker
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Frey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: TOPIC 4: editor/pager policy What is the benefit of /usr/bin/sensible-{editor,pager}? Why don't we just default to EDITOR=/usr/bin/vi and PAGER=/usr/bin/more if both variables are unset? (auch, don't beat me) That

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-16 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Mark Baker wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Frey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: TOPIC 4: editor/pager policy What is the benefit of /usr/bin/sensible-{editor,pager}? Why don't we just default to EDITOR=/usr/bin/vi and PAGER=/usr/bin/more if both

Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-15 Thread David Frey
My comments on Christian's proposal (which is very good, thank you christian): TOPIC 1: policy for user and group ids (uids, gids) Wouldn't it be better to start the user uid range with 100 as most other Unices do? TOPIC 4: editor/pager policy What is the benefit of