Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: > I dont even see how there would > be much delay, if we had the policy of say requiring a debian-cd upload > (to sid) with the changes made to create the stable upload. Sid likely won't work here because both sid and

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

Holger Levsen writes ("Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources"): > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 09:50:48PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > So do I understand it right that you are actively going to test the CD > > build process in a long enough time before the release and

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 09:50:48PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > So do I understand it right that you are actively going to test the CD > build process in a long enough time before the release and send patches > in time to make sure the changes will be part of the release? > > If not - please

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

Steve McIntyre writes ("Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources"): > There are several repos involved. They're described at the DebianCD > team wiki page > https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCd > which is itself linked from the top-level of our download area at >

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 07:15:47PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: >Steve McIntyre writes ("Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources"): >> For the record, all the changes I'm talking about go into public git >> with all of the configuration and scripting that we use on our

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > Steve McIntyre writes ("Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources"): >> For the record, all the changes I'm talking about go into public git >> with all of the configuration a

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

On 07/18/2017 03:12 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > I do not say you are doing it wrong. > > I say we(!) can do better. I can do better if I can repreat your work > using Debian components. I can more confidently verify that I did not > mess things up if I can mimic with a higher degree your

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

Steve McIntyre writes ("Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources"): > For the record, all the changes I'm talking about go into public git > with all of the configuration and scripting that we use on our image > building machine. For me, this is the important part. (There

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Alexey Salmin wrote: > No one can volunteer to fix it until it's acknowledged this is worth > fixing. If you think it's worth fixing, you can volunteer yourself to fix it. That would look something like: "I'm interested in helping make sure that THINGY happens. Would patches

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

alexey.sal...@gmail.com wrote: >On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 2:09 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> Making images often requires tweaks to the build script at/near >> release time. The archive continues to be a moving target until very >> close to that time. More than once we've fixed

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > On July 18, 2017 8:41:43 AM EDT, Alexey Salmin > wrote: >>On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 2:09 AM, Steve McIntyre >>wrote: >>> Making images often requires tweaks to the build

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

On July 18, 2017 8:41:43 AM EDT, Alexey Salmin wrote: >On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 2:09 AM, Steve McIntyre >wrote: >> Making images often requires tweaks to the build script at/near >> release time. The archive continues to be a moving target until very

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 2:09 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Making images often requires tweaks to the build script at/near > release time. The archive continues to be a moving target until very > close to that time. More than once we've fixed things or added > workarounds in the

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

Steve McIntyre writes ("Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources"): > Making images often requires tweaks to the build script at/near > release time. The archive continues to be a moving target until very > close to that time. More than once we've fixed things or added > wo

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Making images often requires tweaks to the build script at/near > release time. The archive continues to be a moving target until very > close to that time. More than once we've fixed things or added > workarounds in the image generation

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

Quoting Steve McIntyre (2017-07-18 02:32:11) > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 02:04:04AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >Quoting Steve McIntyre (2017-07-18 01:09:43) > >> I've corrected several of your incorrect assertions already. I'm bored > >> of this. > > > >Your arrogant attitude hurts! > > I'm

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 02:04:04AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >Quoting Steve McIntyre (2017-07-18 01:09:43) >> I've corrected several of your incorrect assertions already. I'm bored >> of this. > >Your arrogant attitude hurts! I'm *sorry* if you're hurt. Look at it from my point of view.

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

Quoting Steve McIntyre (2017-07-18 01:09:43) > I've corrected several of your incorrect assertions already. I'm bored > of this. Your arrogant attitude hurts! - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

Jonas wrote: >Quoting Steve McIntyre (2017-07-17 02:00:25) > >> But a *lot* of the infrastructure we use to run Debian is not exactly >> what's been packaged, as already mentioned. Look at dak. debian-cd, >> live-wrapper et al *are* packaged, but we're not *necessarily* using >> the exact code

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

]] Ian Jackson > Russ Allbery writes ("Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources"): > > I think it would be interesting to strive for making available all Debian > > infrastructure in our archives (although I think you may find that you'll > > need a separate

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

Jonas Smedegaard writes: > I still believe that libisofs are closer tied to our product than to our > surrounding services: We (or derivatives) may upgrade/replace/skip > Apache or dak or Alioth and still deliver an identical product, but > upgrading libisofs may directly cause

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

Quoting Steve McIntyre (2017-07-17 02:00:25) > Jonas wrote: > >Quoting Steve McIntyre (2017-07-16 22:14:29) > >> Jonas wrote: > >> >Quoting Andrey Rahmatullin (2017-07-16 19:28:06) > >> >> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 07:05:10PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Is our install images

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:09:30AM +0200, Christian Seiler wrote: > [...] downstreams should be able to reproduce Debian images. > In the short term only in functionality and not bit-by-bit, but I > would consider reproducible image builds a worthwhile long-term goal > after fully reproducible

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

Russ Allbery writes ("Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources"): > I think it would be interesting to strive for making available all Debian > infrastructure in our archives (although I think you may find that you'll > need a separate archive that doesn't correspond to stable o

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

Steve McIntyre writes: > Jonas wrote: >> It was just an example, however, and my real question was generally >> what governs code we distribute outside packages - i.e. our install >> images, if Debian Policy covers only packages. > Go argue with the Policy folks, I guess.

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

Jonas wrote: >Quoting Steve McIntyre (2017-07-16 22:14:29) >> Jonas wrote: >> >Quoting Andrey Rahmatullin (2017-07-16 19:28:06) >> >> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 07:05:10PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> >> > Is our install images excepmt from our Policy that all dependencies >> >> > must >> >> >

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

On 07/16/2017 11:12 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > It was just an example, however, and my real question was generally what > governs code we distribute outside packages - i.e. our install images, > if Debian Policy covers only packages. I don't know if this is actually in Policy or not, but in

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

Quoting Steve McIntyre (2017-07-16 22:14:29) > Jonas wrote: > >Quoting Andrey Rahmatullin (2017-07-16 19:28:06) > >> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 07:05:10PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >> > Is our install images excepmt from our Policy that all dependencies must > >> > be in Debian, or am I

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

Jonas wrote: >Quoting Andrey Rahmatullin (2017-07-16 19:28:06) >> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 07:05:10PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> > Is our install images excepmt from our Policy that all dependencies must >> > be in Debian, or am I mistaken that we have such Policy? >> Do we? The Debian

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 08:12:55PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > Is our install images excepmt from our Policy that all dependencies must > > > be in Debian, or am I mistaken that we have such Policy? > > Do we? The Debian Policy covers only debs. > > Also, dak isn't in the archive

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

Quoting Andrey Rahmatullin (2017-07-16 19:28:06) > On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 07:05:10PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Is our install images excepmt from our Policy that all dependencies must > > be in Debian, or am I mistaken that we have such Policy? > Do we? The Debian Policy covers only

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 07:05:10PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Is our install images excepmt from our Policy that all dependencies must > be in Debian, or am I mistaken that we have such Policy? Do we? The Debian Policy covers only debs. Also, dak isn't in the archive either. -- WBR, wRAR

Debian built from non-Debian sources

Hi, I wonder it can be that our netinst image uses a version of libisofs which seemingly was never packaged for Debian: $ isoinfo -d -i firmware-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso CD-ROM is in ISO 9660 format System id: Volume id: Debian 9.0.0 amd64 n Volume set id: Publisher id: Data preparer id: