On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 10:28:26 -0700, Russ Allbery
wrote:
>Sune Vuorela writes:
>
>> Part of me wants to have KDE Plasma Desktop as the default workspace,
>> because it is completely awesome.
>
>> Other parts of me is happy that it is not the default because then we
>> don't have all sorts of weird
El 03/04/14 22:15, Norbert Preining escribió:
> On Thu, 03 Apr 2014, Stephen Allen wrote:
>> Like the OP - I didn't like Gnome-Shell at first, but after giving it a
>> month I really started enjoying it. It's also mature and being worked on
>> extensively. Not something one can say about Xfce4 at t
Hi,
On Freitag, 4. April 2014, Russ Allbery wrote:
> We should change the default desktop environment with each release so that
> each maintenance team gets to share in the fun! It's like a giant hazing
> ritual. :)
wow, the quality of debian-devel has really degraded. Russ starts trolling...
2014-04-04 14:46 GMT-03:00 Amy Rice :
> Is it a bad idea in the end not to include a desktop at all,
> and the user can install one at their own discretion?
The Debian Installer lets you choose if you want to install a desktop
environment or not. By default it comes checked (so it will be instal
Is it a bad idea in the end not to include a desktop at all,
and the user can install one at their own discretion?
On 4/4/2014 8:55 AM, Undefined User wrote:
> Perfect solution.
>
> Debian installer should provide you information about desktop
> environments and let the user choose it.
>
>
> 2014-
Sune Vuorela writes:
> Part of me wants to have KDE Plasma Desktop as the default workspace,
> because it is completely awesome.
> Other parts of me is happy that it is not the default because then we
> don't have all sorts of weird wishes about "oh noes. networkmanager" or
> "Please use this no
previously on this list people contributed:
>> Why then install an alternative at all. Experienced users install what
>> they want anyways. The DEs working best for "unexperienced" users would
>> be the DEs that do much work themselves,
Xfce allows more options and choice by default on a cd and
u
On 04.04.2014 17:15, Hashem Nasarat wrote:
> On the other hand, experienced users are familiar enough to install
> whichever environment they wish. Perhaps a compromise is to have GNOME
> the default and then XFCE as a bare-bones GUI or something.
Why then install an alternative at all. Experience
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 04:42:19PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> And can I pass my granddad's phone call on to you when he is stuck
> choosing among names that are absolutely obscure to him like "GNOME",
> "Xfce", and "KDE"?
No, just say pick a random one. Surely they'll all be entirely appro
On 04/04/2014 10:36 AM, Stephan Seitz wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 04:13:27PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> Le vendredi 04 avril 2014 à 15:25 +0200, Stephan Seitz a écrit :
>>> and modern hardware.
>> This is no longer a requirement in jessie, at least on x86 where
>> llvmpipe is now accept
On 2014-04-03, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
> As KDE fan I do not like Gnome. Those who forget to choose DE in instal=
> ler=20
Part of me wants to have KDE Plasma Desktop as the default workspace,
because it is completely awesome.
Other parts of me is happy that it is not the default because then we
d
2014-04-04 11:04 GMT-03:00 The Wanderer :
> Actually, for all that top-posting is a sin, failing to quote at all
> when replying is AFAIK generally considered even worse...
>
> (Depending on context, of course; in a Web forum where the message being
> replied to is probably still visible when read
2014-04-04 11:42 GMT-03:00 Stefano Zacchiroli :
> And can I pass my granddad's phone call on to you when he is stuck
> choosing among names that are absolutely obscure to him like "GNOME",
> "Xfce", and "KDE"?
>
Not giving the user a taste of the options, well... Yes, I agree, it's
pretty hard to
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 02:52:41PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> We go over the same ground over and over. I'm increasingly in favour of *no*
> default. You must pick one from a list on install. Randomize the list if
> necessary.
And can I pass my granddad's phone call on to you when he is stuc
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 04:13:27PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 04 avril 2014 à 15:25 +0200, Stephan Seitz a écrit :
and modern hardware.
This is no longer a requirement in jessie, at least on x86 where
llvmpipe is now accepted as a GL engine.
Ah, thank you.
The default deskto
Le vendredi 04 avril 2014 à 15:25 +0200, Stephan Seitz a écrit :
> As far as I understand Gnome3 needs more resources than XFCE
This is mostly irrelevant. The resources consumed by the desktop are
negligible compared to applications. As soon as you start a browser with
a few tabs on non-trivial
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On 04/04/2014 09:57 AM, Undefined User wrote:
> Sorry for not deleting the reply text over my last e-mail.
Actually, for all that top-posting is a sin, failing to quote at all
when replying is AFAIK generally considered even worse...
(Depending on
Sorry for not deleting the reply text over my last e-mail.
Perfect solution.
Debian installer should provide you information about desktop environments
and let the user choose it.
2014-04-04 10:52 GMT-03:00 Jonathan Dowland :
> We go over the same ground over and over. I'm increasingly in favour of
> *no*
> default. You must pick one from a list on ins
We go over the same ground over and over. I'm increasingly in favour of *no*
default. You must pick one from a list on install. Randomize the list if
necessary.
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On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 10:03:46AM -0300, Undefined User wrote:
> Well, it's almost impossible to avoid personal judgments on this matter.
> This involves personal taste. But when talking about "new users" or
> "not-that-advanced users", I'm really sug
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 10:03:46AM -0300, Undefined User wrote:
This involves personal taste. But when talking about "new users" or
"not-that-advanced users", I'm really suggesting Gnome 3 to be the choice
of the project.
But what are your definitions of „new users”? Someone who has never used
previously on this list Undefined User contributed:
> It's not about Gnome, Xfce or whatever desktop environment being focused
> only on touchscreen devices or identical to a mobile platform (that would
> be terrible for everyone), but at least something that doesn't make people
> think that Debia
Well, it's almost impossible to avoid personal judgments on this matter.
This involves personal taste. But when talking about "new users" or
"not-that-advanced users", I'm really suggesting Gnome 3 to be the choice
of the project.
I know that its size is bigger than Xfce and it takes more resource
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 08:18:41AM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 14:16:15 Undefined User wrote:
> > The problem is that right now Debian project is changing its default
> > desktop environment, and I think that this is not a good move. Of course,
> > it all depends on where the
On Thu, 03 Apr 2014, Stephen Allen wrote:
> Like the OP - I didn't like Gnome-Shell at first, but after giving it a
> month I really started enjoying it. It's also mature and being worked on
> extensively. Not something one can say about Xfce4 at this point.
>
> I think you're probably the excepti
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 08:18:41AM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 14:16:15 Undefined User wrote:
> > The problem is that right now Debian project is changing its default
> > desktop environment, and I think that this is not a good move. Of course,
> > it all depends on where the
On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 14:16:15 Undefined User wrote:
> The problem is that right now Debian project is changing its default
> desktop environment, and I think that this is not a good move. Of course,
> it all depends on where the project is aiming at, specially on which users.
> But, for normal users,
Hello,
I'm a Debian user for almost 8 years now and I've always supported the OS
on the internet, trying to bring more people to it.
The problem is that right now Debian project is changing its default
desktop environment, and I think that this is not a good move. Of course,
it all depends on whe
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