Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-21 Thread Martin Schulze
Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote: Hello, Thanks for your input. I really don't know how to express what I want to say :) It has come to my mind a few days ago when the Vera fonts were released to public. My problem was: everybody was acting like mad, screaming at last, some good fonts for linux!,

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-21 Thread Steve Kemp
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 10:11:48PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Maybe the maintainer just has no clue about how UTF should work in that particular application and can't do much about it other than wait until upstream has a clue and implements it. I'm in this position, I'm upstream and

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-20 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote: The point is actually that deb??an (and others) doesn't care much about internationalization, no matter what they say. I'm just trying to be Go away. I hate trolls that make little of the work of others... If you think something is actively

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 00:26:04 +0200, Nikolai Prokoschenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: What I think about is some regulated way to care about the needs of international debian users. Let's take an example: some programmplays badly along with UTF-8 and therefore can't be properly used by me,

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 02:05:33 +0200, Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: A point. What *is* yours? Read. Just read and try with imagination. = Better, flexible and _smooth_ i18n in debian-desktop. Something userfriendly but not easy to achieve without conditional dependencies,

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-20 Thread Eduard Bloch
Moin Henrique! Henrique de Moraes Holschuh schrieb am Sunday, den 20. April 2003: On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote: The point is actually that deb??an (and others) doesn't care much about internationalization, no matter what they say. I'm just trying to be Go away. Come

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-20 Thread Peter Makholm
Nikolai Prokoschenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My problem was: everybody was acting like mad, screaming at last, some good fonts for linux!, whereas, as far as I remember, these fonts lacks many many scripts, starting with the simpliest ones like Cyrillic. I don't even want to mention

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-20 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Eduard Bloch wrote: On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote: The point is actually that deb??an (and others) doesn't care much about internationalization, no matter what they say. I'm just trying to be Go away. Come on, is fscking wish reports a good

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-20 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 10:34:10AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh schrieb am Sunday, den 20. April 2003: Go away. Come on, is fscking wish reports a good way to communicate with users? Yes. If they say things like deb??an (and others) doesn't care much about

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-20 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 02:28:13AM +0200, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote: Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for your time, and you want to tell me I'm paranoid, don't bother, it is not worth your time :) Better tell me what I might have missed in the observing the subject. AS

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-20 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 02:05:33AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h * Andrew Suffield [Sun, Apr 20 2003, 12:29:49AM]: On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 12:26:04AM +0200, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote: Thank you for your time, and you want to tell me I'm paranoid, don't bother, it is not

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-20 Thread David Starner
And why should we pull packages that works 95% of the time? One of the release goals for Woody (I believe) was that everything is 8-bit clean. The same could have been said for that; why should we pull packages that work 95% of the time? (And if 8-bit cleanness is not 95% of the time, then

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-20 Thread Josef Spillner
On Sunday 20 April 2003 10:09, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Apart from telling various and sundry people about it, have you done anything? This is free software. If it scratches youtr itch, fix it. And send patches. The original author stated that it occurs that upstream rejects UTF-8 fixes

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-20 Thread Morgon Kanter
other distributions), but the last (user-relevant) step of the setup is not user-friendly at all. Then work at improving it. UTF8 in Debian is _very_ imature still, and even a how to make your package UTF-8 friendly document that you could write (and posted to d-devel and d-desktop if

Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-19 Thread Nikolai Prokoschenko
Hello, I really don't know how to express what I want to say :) It has come to my mind a few days ago when the Vera fonts were released to public. My problem was: everybody was acting like mad, screaming at last, some good fonts for linux!, whereas, as far as I remember, these fonts lacks many

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-19 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 12:26:04AM +0200, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote: Thank you for your time, and you want to tell me I'm paranoid, don't bother, it is not worth your time :) Better tell me what I might have missed in the observing the subject. A point. What *is* yours? -- .''`. **

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-19 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Andrew Suffield [Sun, Apr 20 2003, 12:29:49AM]: On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 12:26:04AM +0200, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote: Thank you for your time, and you want to tell me I'm paranoid, don't bother, it is not worth your time :) Better tell me what I might have missed in the

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-19 Thread Nikolai Prokoschenko
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for your time, and you want to tell me I'm paranoid, don't bother, it is not worth your time :) Better tell me what I might have missed in the observing the subject. AS A point. What *is* yours? The point is actually that deban (and others)

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-19 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Thank you for your time, and you want to tell me I'm paranoid, don't bother, it is not worth your time :) Better tell me what I might have missed in the observing the subject. AS A point. What *is* yours? The point is actually that deban (and others) doesn't care much about