Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-22 Thread Simon Josefsson
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Simon Josefsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Also, RFCs with the new license doesn't include the license template >> itself, it just reference BCP 78. So if BCP 78 is updated, perhaps it >> automatically apply to RFCs that simply reference BC

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Simon Josefsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Also, RFCs with the new license doesn't include the license template > itself, it just reference BCP 78. So if BCP 78 is updated, perhaps it > automatically apply to RFCs that simply reference BCP 78. I doubt the > legality of that too. Is that comp

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-22 Thread Simon Josefsson
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Simon Josefsson writes: >> Is that license acceptable to the Debian community? > > Looks fine to me. Is it going to be retroactive? It is a good question. The RFC Editor has claimed that the RFC 2026 license apply to older RFCs too, in particular RFC 15

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-17 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Simon Josefsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I received some feedback from the IPR WG, resulting in this wording: > The Contributor grants third parties the right to > copy and distribute the Contribution, with or without > modification, in any medium, without royalty. The

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-17 Thread John Hasler
Simon Josefsson writes: > Is that license acceptable to the Debian community? Looks fine to me. Is it going to be retroactive? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-17 Thread Florian Weimer
* Simon Josefsson: > I received some feedback from the IPR WG, resulting in this wording: > > The Contributor grants third parties the right to > copy and distribute the Contribution, with or without > modification, in any medium, without royalty. The IETF > requests tha

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-17 Thread Simon Josefsson
Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Peter Samuelson: > >>> * Simon Josefsson: >>> > The Contributor grants third parties the right to >>> > copy and distribute the Contribution, with or without >>> > modification, in any medium, without royalty. If the >>> > Contribution

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-16 Thread Florian Weimer
* Peter Samuelson: >> * Simon Josefsson: >> > The Contributor grants third parties the right to >> >copy and distribute the Contribution, with or without >> >modification, in any medium, without royalty. If the >> >Contribution is modified, any claims of endorsement or >> >

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-15 Thread Peter Samuelson
> * Simon Josefsson: > > The Contributor grants third parties the right to > > copy and distribute the Contribution, with or without > > modification, in any medium, without royalty. If the > > Contribution is modified, any claims of endorsement or > > official status by t

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-15 Thread John Hasler
Florian Weimer writes: > IOW, preserve the copyright statement, but not the entire notice. What's wrong with preserving the entire notice? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-15 Thread Florian Weimer
* Simon Josefsson: >> But isn't the "this notice [...] preserved" part problematic? > > Yes, I suppose you are right. I have changed the license into: > > The Contributor grants third parties the right to > copy and distribute the Contribution, with or without > modification,

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-14 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Simon Josefsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, I suppose you are right. I have changed the license into: > > The Contributor grants third parties the right to > copy and distribute the Contribution, with or without > modification, in any medium, without royalty. If the >

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-14 Thread Simon Josefsson
Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Simon Josefsson: > >>> I think you might get broader support in the vendor community if you >>> make the license for modified copying non-copyleft. >> >> Yes, that is the intention. Requiring a copyleft license is likely to >> meet with disapproval f

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-10 Thread Luca Capello
Hello! On Fri 07 Oct 2005 10:30 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Wesley J Landaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> On Thursday 06 October 2005 06:57, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> I know the copying conditions of IETF RFC's has been a concern for

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-07 Thread Frank Küster
Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Simon Josefsson: > >>> I think you might get broader support in the vendor community if you >>> make the license for modified copying non-copyleft. >> >> Yes, that is the intention. Requiring a copyleft license is likely to >> meet with disapproval fr

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-07 Thread Florian Weimer
* Simon Josefsson: >> I think you might get broader support in the vendor community if you >> make the license for modified copying non-copyleft. > > Yes, that is the intention. Requiring a copyleft license is likely to > meet with disapproval from too many people, for various reasons. But isn't

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-07 Thread Simon Josefsson
Paul TBBle Hampson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 11:16:03PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2005, Russ Allbery wrote: > Unlimited distribution isn't the problem. Modification and redistribut

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-07 Thread Simon Josefsson
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Wesley J Landaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Thursday 06 October 2005 06:57, Simon Josefsson wrote: > >>> I know the copying conditions of IETF RFC's has been a concern for >>> Debian in the past, and that the RFCs has been removed from the >>> off

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-07 Thread Simon Josefsson
Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Simon Josefsson: > >> I explain the current problems, and I try to put together a proposed >> update, and I have a petition online at: >> >> http://josefsson.org/bcp78broken/ > > Very nice, thanks. > > I think you might get broader support in the vend

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-06 Thread Paul TBBle Hampson
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 11:16:03PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Thu, 06 Oct 2005, Russ Allbery wrote: >>> Unlimited distribution isn't the problem. Modification and >>> redistribution of modified versions is the problem, and that >>> r

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, 06 Oct 2005, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Unlimited distribution isn't the problem. Modification and >> redistribution of modified versions is the problem, and that >> restriction was apparently > If the IETF allows modified versions th

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-06 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 06 Oct 2005, Russ Allbery wrote: > Unlimited distribution isn't the problem. Modification and redistribution > of modified versions is the problem, and that restriction was apparently If the IETF allows modified versions that are *RENAMED*, then it would meet the DFSG. They can even rest

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Wesley J Landaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thursday 06 October 2005 06:57, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> I know the copying conditions of IETF RFC's has been a concern for >> Debian in the past, and that the RFCs has been removed from the >> official archive (?), If they haven't been yet, the

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-06 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Thursday 06 October 2005 06:57, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I know the copying conditions of IETF RFC's has been a concern for > Debian in the past, and that the RFCs has been removed from the > official archive (?), so I thought this would be of some interest to > you. I am tryin

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-06 Thread Florian Weimer
* Simon Josefsson: > I explain the current problems, and I try to put together a proposed > update, and I have a petition online at: > > http://josefsson.org/bcp78broken/ Very nice, thanks. I think you might get broader support in the vendor community if you make the license for modified copying

Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-06 Thread Simon Josefsson
Hi everyone! I know the copying conditions of IETF RFC's has been a concern for Debian in the past, and that the RFCs has been removed from the official archive (?), so I thought this would be of some interest to you. I am trying to influence the IETF to change the copying conditions on RFCs to m