Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-12-02 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: > > And it doesn't appear to regulate the system clock frequency, which > > basically makes it an inaccurate dumb SNTP client which steps the clock when > > it synchronises. > Please see > http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/timesync/timesyncd-man

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-12-01 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 10:58:45PM +, Roger Lynn wrote: > On 29/11/14 13:30, Vincent Bernat wrote: > > ❦ 29 novembre 2014 12:41 GMT, Alastair McKinstry > > : > >> One concern I'd have is the lack of flexibility to produce a cut-down > >> system. The option of "a dedicated init=/custom-progr

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-12-01 Thread Roger Lynn
On 29/11/14 13:30, Vincent Bernat wrote: > ❦ 29 novembre 2014 12:41 GMT, Alastair McKinstry > : >> One concern I'd have is the lack of flexibility to produce a cut-down >> system. The option of "a dedicated init=/custom-program", but lack of >> an ntpd, for example, because ntp has been absorbe

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 21:48 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 3:11 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > working upstream > > Are there any vendors of ARM-based devices who are doing that? Most of the SoC vendors seem to be doing *some* work to get their chips supported upstream, but I

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-30 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 3:11 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > working upstream Are there any vendors of ARM-based devices who are doing that? -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? C

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 17:10 +0100, Simon Richter wrote: > Hi, > > On 29.11.2014 08:37, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > > I'm not Simon, but one valid argument I've heard is that embedded stuff > > has a tendency to get stuck on old vendor kernels, something that > > doesn't work so well when systemd u

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-29 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 29.11.2014 13:41, Alastair McKinstry wrote: > I'm heartened that some developers are doing the work to make > non-systemd remain a > viable option in debian, but for it not to degenerate into "the systemd > way / the less maintained > and tested non-systemd way", we need to promote the API

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-29 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 29.11.2014 08:37, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > I'm not Simon, but one valid argument I've heard is that embedded stuff > has a tendency to get stuck on old vendor kernels, something that > doesn't work so well when systemd uses newer kernel interfaces. Correct, and I don't see the situation i

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-29 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 29 novembre 2014 12:41 GMT, Alastair McKinstry   : > One concern I'd have is the lack of flexibility to produce a cut-down > system. The option of "a dedicated init=/custom-program", but lack of > an ntpd, for example, because ntp has been absorbed into systemd's > orbit and other ntpd's bitro

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-29 Thread Alastair McKinstry
> Why, precisely, do you foresee future problems with embedded systems > development? Personally, I'm looking forward to a much easier time > building future embedded systems using systemd, or the occasional > too-small-for-anything-else embedded system (that couldn't run standard > sysvinit or D

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-29 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Tollef Fog Heen: > I'm not Simon, but one valid argument I've heard is that embedded stuff > has a tendency to get stuck on old vendor kernels, something that > doesn't work so well when systemd uses newer kernel interfaces. > That attitude is unfortunately not limited to "traditional" embedd

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-28 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Josh Triplett > Simon Richter wrote: > > On 28.11.2014 09:43, Svante Signell wrote: > > > The official name of the Debian fork is devuan: https://devuan.org > > > It will be interesting to see how many Debian Maintainers and > > > Developers will jump the ship and join them (in addition to th

Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-28 Thread Josh Triplett
Simon Richter wrote: > On 28.11.2014 09:43, Svante Signell wrote: > > The official name of the Debian fork is devuan: https://devuan.org > > It will be interesting to see how many Debian Maintainers and > > Developers will jump the ship and join them (in addition to the > > users). Future will tel