Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Petter Reinholdtsen (p...@hungry.com): > I expect you will get this if you use HTTP to submit and any HTTP > proxy specified using the HTTP_PROXY variable in > /etc/popularity-contest.conf. The only identity submitted would be > the random ID generated by popcon to make sure the weekly re

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Petter Reinholdtsen writes: > I expect you will get this if you use HTTP to submit and any HTTP proxy > specified using the HTTP_PROXY variable in /etc/popularity-contest.conf. > The only identity submitted would be the random ID generated by popcon > to make sure the weekly resubmission of infor

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Russ Allbery, le Thu 03 Sep 2009 13:32:46 -0700, a écrit : > In specific, our information security office (rightfully) considers > the relationship between system and list of installed packages to > be confidential data because of the potential use of such data in > determining which systems to att

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Russ Allbery] > Is there an easy way (read: the software already exists and I can > just install it) for all of the systems to report to an internal > proxy that then resubmits the data so that no one else can know > where it's coming from exactly other than from our servers > somewhere? I expec

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Adam Thornton
On Sep 3, 2009, at 4:32 AM, Martin Grimm wrote: I'm aware of popcon and as much as I'd appreciate it to see our systems counted there this will not happen because these are mainly production systems behind firewalls or in internal networks with no internet access and I've generally a bad

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Martin Grimm writes: > I'm aware of popcon and as much as I'd appreciate it to see our systems > counted there this will not happen because these are mainly production > systems behind firewalls or in internal networks with no internet access > and I've generally a bad feeling when thinking of so

Re: Manually providing popcon data (Was: Future of the s390 port)

2009-09-03 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Andreas Tille , 2009-09-03, 13:12: So as long as there is no easy manual way to provide anonymized figures without installing software on our production servers we can't deliver such data :-( and yes, I know there are many reasons why a manual upload form would be a bad idea regarding accuracy

Manually providing popcon data (Was: Future of the s390 port)

2009-09-03 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 11:32:14AM +0200, Martin Grimm wrote: > So as long as there is no easy manual way to provide anonymized figures > without installing software on our production servers we can't deliver > such data :-( and yes, I know there are many reasons why a manual upload > form would be

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Bastian Blank
[ Restricting to debian-devel, as generic development stuff ] On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 12:28:27PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 12:16:53PM +0200, Bastian Blank > wrote: > > Okay, this also depends on the condition that you don't consider the > > package names themself sensit

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Bastian Blank
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 01:01:24PM -0400, Michael Casadevall wrote: > I think a bigger question is where do you find hardware where you can > get remote root on; I know at least two posibilites - IBM provides access for evaluation purposes and - OSDL provides access for project work. Bastian --

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 12:16:53PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 11:32:14AM +0200, Martin Grimm wrote: > > So as long as there is no easy manual way to provide anonymized figures > > without installing software on our production servers we can't deliver > > such data :-( >

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Bastian Blank
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 11:32:14AM +0200, Martin Grimm wrote: > So as long as there is no easy manual way to provide anonymized figures > without installing software on our production servers we can't deliver > such data :-( Hmm. You could collect the /var/lib/dpkg/status files and do a mass submi

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Martin Grimm
Am 02.09.2009 20:03 schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: > [Martin Grimm] >> We've currently running 240+ Linux guests on 2 IBM System z10 EC, >> that's the newest hardware of this kind for those not so familiar >> with this architecture. 236 of these are running Debian, mostly >> etch, some still sarge an

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-02 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Martin Grimm] > We've currently running 240+ Linux guests on 2 IBM System z10 EC, > that's the newest hardware of this kind for those not so familiar > with this architecture. 236 of these are running Debian, mostly > etch, some still sarge and some lenny. Amongst these are > zelenka.debian.org a

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-02 Thread Martin Grimm
Am 31.08.2009 18:28 schrieb Bastian Blank: > Hi folks > > The s390 port was released with Lenny. However it is not in the best > condition. There are mainly two problems which needs attention, lack of > manpower and a 64 bit userland. > > The first problem is the worst. Currently only Frans Pop

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-08-31 Thread Frans Pop
Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Aug 31, Bastian Blank wrote: >> I doubt that I would be able to push this port through another release >> in the current state. The consequence would by that the port dies >> completely and with it the only free and released distribution for this >> machines. > > Is this r

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-08-31 Thread Adam Thornton
On Aug 31, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Bastian Blank wrote: The first problem is the worst. Currently only Frans Pop and I do work on it. Frans only does the Debian-Installer part and I simply have not enough time to do the rest. The s390 architecture is quite different to anything else, so i

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-08-31 Thread Adam Thornton
On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Michael Casadevall wrote: I think a bigger question is where do you find hardware where you can get remote root on; I'm not very familiar with s390 or mainframes in general, but its not a piece of hardware one individual person would own. I'm aware of the Hercules

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-08-31 Thread Michael Casadevall
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Aug 31, Bastian Blank wrote: > >> I doubt that I would be able to push this port through another release >> in the current state. The consequence would by that the port dies >> completely and with it the only free and released distribution

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-08-31 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 31, Bastian Blank wrote: > I doubt that I would be able to push this port through another release > in the current state. The consequence would by that the port dies > completely and with it the only free and released distribution for this > machines. Is this really an important problem? D

Future of the s390 port

2009-08-31 Thread Bastian Blank
Hi folks The s390 port was released with Lenny. However it is not in the best condition. There are mainly two problems which needs attention, lack of manpower and a 64 bit userland. The first problem is the worst. Currently only Frans Pop and I do work on it. Frans only does the Debian-Install