GNU IceCat?

2015-09-07 Thread Simon Josefsson
Hi. Is there any reason (other than lack of manpower) that GNU IceCat is not packaged in Debian? I understand Debian has IceWeasel to (primarily?) fix the Firefox trademark issue and to have a mechanism to deal with security backports. IceCat has diverged from Firefox/Iceweasel and has a

Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-07 Thread Riley Baird
> Is there any reason (other than lack of manpower) that GNU IceCat is not > packaged in Debian? > > I understand Debian has IceWeasel to (primarily?) fix the Firefox > trademark issue and to have a mechanism to deal with security backports. > > IceCat has diverged from Fire

Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-08 Thread Simon Josefsson
Riley Baird writes: >> Is there any reason (other than lack of manpower) that GNU IceCat is not >> packaged in Debian? >> >> I understand Debian has IceWeasel to (primarily?) fix the Firefox >> trademark issue and to have a mechanism to deal with security backpor

Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-08 Thread Riley Baird
On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 08:58:46 +0200 Simon Josefsson wrote: > Riley Baird writes: > > >> Is there any reason (other than lack of manpower) that GNU IceCat is not > >> packaged in Debian? > >> > >> I understand Debian has IceWeasel to (primarily?) fix th

Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-08 Thread Simon Josefsson
Riley Baird writes: > On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 08:58:46 +0200 > Simon Josefsson wrote: > >> Riley Baird writes: >> >> >> Is there any reason (other than lack of manpower) that GNU IceCat is not >> >> packaged in Debian? >> >> >> >&

Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-08 Thread Riley Baird
On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 09:30:46 +0200 Simon Josefsson wrote: > Riley Baird > writes: > > > On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 08:58:46 +0200 > > Simon Josefsson wrote: > > > >> Riley Baird writes: > >> > >> >> Is there any reason (other than lack of

Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Simon Josefsson writes: > Is there any reason (other than lack of manpower) that GNU IceCat is not > packaged in Debian? I suspect it's mostly just resources, but it's an immense amount of work, and not just for the packaging. Web browsers have one of the largest and most ac

Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-08 Thread Bob Holtzman
On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 05:20:24PM +1000, Riley Baird wrote: > On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 08:58:46 +0200 > Simon Josefsson wrote: > > > Riley Baird writes: > > > > >> Is there any reason (other than lack of manpower) that GNU IceCat is not > > >> packaged

Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-08 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff
Russ Allbery schrieb: > Simon Josefsson writes: > >> Is there any reason (other than lack of manpower) that GNU IceCat is not >> packaged in Debian? > > I suspect it's mostly just resources, but it's an immense amount of work, > and not just for the pac

Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-08 Thread Riley Baird
> > Also, what advantages does IceCat have over the Tor Browser? (Debian > > doesn't have the Tor Browser either, due to the impossibility of long > > term maintenance, but just wondering.) > > Have a look at torbrowser-launcher in synaptic Ah, didn't realise that! pgpqsKNlZs_cp.pgp Description

Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-09 Thread Simon Josefsson
Moritz Mühlenhoff writes: > Russ Allbery schrieb: >> Simon Josefsson writes: >> >>> Is there any reason (other than lack of manpower) that GNU IceCat is not >>> packaged in Debian? >> >> I suspect it's mostly just resources, but it's an im

Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-09 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, September 9, 2015 09:42, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Moritz Mühlenhoff writes: > >> Russ Allbery schrieb: >>> Simon Josefsson writes: >>> >>>> Is there any reason (other than lack of manpower) that GNU IceCat is >>>> not >>>>

Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-10 Thread Simon Josefsson
> Hi Simon, > > > Perhaps the situation would be easier for the security team if a > > IceCat package in Debian was based on the same ESR release as > > Iceweasel? > > I believe the situation would be easier if the actual changes in > IceCat could be identified and isolated and then brought up fo

Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-10 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Simon Josefsson , 2015-09-09, 09:42: IceCat enables DoNotTrack by default, but (as far as I understand) both upstream Firefox and Debian Iceweasel does not want to make that change. This is slightly off-topic, but you should know that NoScript enables DNT behind your back, and AFAICS there'

Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-10 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon Josefsson writes ("Re: GNU IceCat?"): > What's a good way to do that efficiently? People have submitted bugs > against Iceweasel to do some of the things that IceCat does by default, > for example https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=654336 Well, a goo

Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-10 Thread Simon Josefsson
Ian Jackson writes: > Simon Josefsson writes ("Re: GNU IceCat?"): >> What's a good way to do that efficiently? People have submitted bugs >> against Iceweasel to do some of the things that IceCat does by default, >> for example https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-b

Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-10 Thread Josh Triplett
Simon Josefsson wrote: > Agreed -- part of what I'm trying to understand, though, is whether the > Iceweasel team considers this a relevant direction to go into? The > https://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel suggests it strives to be close to > what Firefox is, however that was written almost 10 years a

Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-13 Thread Chris Knadle
Simon Josefsson: > Ian Jackson writes: > >> Simon Josefsson writes ("Re: GNU IceCat?"): >>> What's a good way to do that efficiently? People have submitted bugs >>> against Iceweasel to do some of the things that IceCat does by default, &g

Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-13 Thread Afif Elghraoui
On الأحد 13 أيلول 2015 13:06, Chris Knadle wrote: >>> If you do find that the Iceweasel maintainers are not interested >>> >> enough in your goals, then a better engineering solution might be an >>> >> overlay package which overrides some of the configuration defaults. >>> >> >>> >> (If there is

Re: Re: GNU IceCat?

2015-09-10 Thread Fabian Greffrath
Hi Simon, > Perhaps the situation would be easier for the security team if a IceCat > package in Debian was based on the same ESR release as Iceweasel? I believe the situation would be easier if the actual changes in IceCat could be identified and isolated and then brought up for discussion with

Re: #522196 - RFP: gnu icecat - the GNU version of Mozilla Firefox

2009-04-02 Thread Raphael Geissert
[Security team BCC'ed] Hi, Do we really need another mozilla browser around? Last time I heard the iceweasel maintainers were looking for other people to help them. I don't think yet another clone of firefox is going to do any good in any sense (including the security POV). Cheers, -- Raphae

Re: #522196 - RFP: gnu icecat - the GNU version of Mozilla Firefox

2009-04-03 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Raphael Geissert [2009-04-02 19:45]: > [Security team BCC'ed] > > Hi, > > Do we really need another mozilla browser around? > Last time I heard the iceweasel maintainers were looking for other people to > help them. > > I don't think yet another clone of firefox is going to do any good i

Re: #522196 - RFP: gnu icecat - the GNU version of Mozilla Firefox

2009-04-03 Thread Mike Hommey
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 03:42:22PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > Hi, > * Raphael Geissert [2009-04-02 19:45]: > > [Security team BCC'ed] > > > > Hi, > > > > Do we really need another mozilla browser around? > > Last time I heard the iceweasel maintainers were looking for other people > > to > >

Re: #522196 - RFP: gnu icecat - the GNU version of Mozilla Firefox

2009-04-03 Thread Brett Parker
On 03 Apr 15:42, Nico Golde wrote: > Hi, > * Raphael Geissert [2009-04-02 19:45]: > > [Security team BCC'ed] > > > > Hi, > > > > Do we really need another mozilla browser around? > > Last time I heard the iceweasel maintainers were looking for other people > > to > > help them. > > > > I don'

Re: Bug#522196: #522196 - RFP: gnu icecat - the GNU version of Mozilla Firefox

2009-04-04 Thread Giuseppe Scrivano
Hello, Brett Parker writes: > I thought they all now dynamically linked against xulrunner so that security > support was much simpler than before, so it's really just a frontend more than > a clone of firefox, no? Yes, I think Iceweasel and Icecat can share xulrunner without problems. After th