Re: GPL and LGPL issues for LCC, or lack thereof

2004-12-17 Thread Bruce Perens
Michael K. Edwards wrote: What part of "normally distributed ... with ... the operating system" is confusing? The license requires that the source code all of the pieces that constitute a derivative work of some original piece of GPL code must be provided. This would be the original GPL

Re: GPL and LGPL issues for LCC, or lack thereof

2004-12-17 Thread Michael K. Edwards
Hopefully this continues to be interesting to debian-devel readers. Perhaps replies should go to debian-legal; GMail doesn't seem to let me set Followup-To, but feel free to do so if you think best. I have copied Eben Moglen (General Counsel to the FSF) at Bruce's suggestion. Mr. Moglen, I am

Re: GPL and LGPL issues for LCC, or lack thereof

2004-12-17 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On re-reading the sequence of events, it looks like I was the one who switched the context of the hypothetical reproducible build tools obligation from GPL to LGPL. Bruce, my apologies for implying that you were the one who switched contexts. So we seem to agree that the support for this

Re: GPL and LGPL issues for LCC, or lack thereof

2004-12-17 Thread Bruce Perens
Michael K. Edwards wrote: Hopefully this continues to be interesting to debian-devel readers. It's not even interesting to me, and I hope that someone of greater legal competence sets you right and ends the discussion. The LGPL requires that the creator of a derivative work provide

Re: GPL and LGPL issues for LCC, or lack thereof

2004-12-17 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:26:01 -0800, Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The LGPL requires that the creator of a derivative work provide the object code for relinking, and not prohibit relinking and reverse engineering. It does not, however, require that creator to take other necessary steps

Re: GPL and LGPL issues for LCC, or lack thereof

2004-12-17 Thread Bruce Perens
Olaf van der Spek wrote: Is that really JPEG? Or JTAG? That's all we need, lossy ROM image compression :-) Yes, JTAG. Thanks Bruce

Re: GPL and LGPL issues for LCC, or lack thereof

2004-12-17 Thread Michael K. Edwards
I'll try to address the Specht case and summarize, and we can call this an end to the discussion if that's what you want. Bruce You can read a case on the nature of consent such as Specht v. Netscape, Bruce which might convince you that we don't necessarily get sufficient consent on Bruce the

GPL and LGPL issues for LCC, or lack thereof

2004-12-16 Thread Bruce Perens
Michael K. Edwards wrote: Agreed there needn't be development tools on the target system. But the development system itself needs to be fully and accurately specified, both among the participating distros and to the end users. That's what it takes to satisfy the letter of the GPL, at

Re: GPL and LGPL issues for LCC, or lack thereof

2004-12-16 Thread Michael K. Edwards
This probably belongs on debian-legal, but let's go one more round on debian-devel given the scope of the LCC's potential impact on Debian. (Personally, I'm more interested in the question of whether agreeing to consecrate particular binaries contravenes a distro's commitment to the Four Freedoms