On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 02:26:31PM +0800, YunQiang Su wrote:
But once upgrade Ubuntu, the MBR is taken place, and once then upgrade
Debian, it's back.
'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' on the Ubuntu side, then - it's not that
complicated.
--
Colin Watson
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 03:09:12PM +0800, YunQiang Su wrote:
When installing, user will usually install grub in MBR or they have no
choice to set it when install (install from LiveCD).
If you mean the Ubuntu live CD, IIRC it does have an option for this
although only when you're doing manual
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 05:07:52AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 11:33 +0800, YunQiang Su wrote:
When update to grub-pc 1.99-8, it write my MBR, then I report a bug.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631224
and Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org tell
2011/6/22 YunQiang Su wzss...@gmail.com:
Yes, if only for Linux distro, it can be done like this.
Then if there are Windows and Mac OS X?
Windows writes to MBR no matter what. Mac OS X does it too, I guess?
Because of Windows, I always install Linux after Windows. I guess
there's no way around
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 5:57 PM, michael kapelko korn...@gmail.com wrote:
Windows writes to MBR no matter what. Mac OS X does it too, I guess?
Because of Windows, I always install Linux after Windows. I guess
there's no way around here, Windows doesn't detect Linux anyway. I
don't know if Mac
On 06/22/2011 06:07 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
More packages means more user confusion. And the first behaviour is
definitely the correct default, as installing a boot loader package
almost always means you want to install the boot loader in the boot
sector.
What is your use case for the
On 06/22/2011 01:20 PM, Evgeni Golov wrote:
I e.g. have extlinux installed as a package, but not in the mbr (for
preparing bootable usb drives with unetbootin).
The same might apply for grub(.*) because you want to create a bootable
efi disk while your machine has pc bios and vice versa.
Le mercredi, 22 juin 2011 12.01:08, Paul Wise a écrit :
My strategy with Windows is to let it have the MBR and use Debian's
setup.exe to create an item for Debian in the Windows boot menu and
chainload Debian grub-pc from the Windows grub installed by setup.exe.
Seems to work find even though
On 06/22/2011 03:07 AM, YunQiang Su wrote:
Did you? Try 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' ;)
yes it works. BUT:
When installing, user will usually install grub in MBR or they have
no choice to set it when install (install from LiveCD).
If you install with a low debconf priority, or use
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Didier Raboud wrote:
could win32-loader (either in it's CD or in its standalone (on mirrors)
version) help to setup this ? If so, a detailed bug would be appreciated.
Will need to think about it a bit (and the box I do this on is having
disk errors), perhaps we
On Mi, 22 iun 11, 13:37:35, Daniel Baumann wrote:
but there should be only one bootloader at the time be allowed to write
itself automatically (upon updates) to the systems mbr, which is why
i've talked with colin about that debconf proposing to create a
bootloader-common package (or
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 05:07:52AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
And the first behaviour is
definitely the correct default, as installing a boot loader package
almost always means you want to install the boot loader in the boot
sector.
The boot sector
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 09:08:01PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 05:07:52AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
And the first behaviour is
definitely the correct default, as installing a boot loader package
almost always means you want
On 06/22/2011 08:10 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
The various *dm packages do this quite well in my experience and I don't
see any -common package.
which is extremely stupid in every way there is (code duplication, l10n
dublication, etc.).
--
Address:Daniel Baumann, Donnerbuehlweg 3,
On Mi, 22 iun 11, 22:06:53, Daniel Baumann wrote:
On 06/22/2011 08:10 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
The various *dm packages do this quite well in my experience and I don't
see any -common package.
which is extremely stupid in every way there is (code duplication, l10n
dublication, etc.).
I
When update to grub-pc 1.99-8, it write my MBR, then I report a bug.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631224
and Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org tell me that it's a new feature.
Y, it maybe, he tell to install grub-pc-bin only, but this package has
no kernel hook even.
Here is
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 11:33 +0800, YunQiang Su wrote:
When update to grub-pc 1.99-8, it write my MBR, then I report a bug.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631224
and Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org tell me that it's a new feature.
Y, it maybe, he tell to install
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On 07/06/2010 17:37, Stephen Powell wrote:
But for a kernel install or reconfigure, it is the responsibility of the
kernel maintainer scripts to invoke the bootloader. See also, for example,
linux-image-2.6.26-2-s390.postinst, where zipl is assigned as the bootloader
on line 38. This really
On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 13:39 +0200, Vincent Danjean wrote:
On 07/06/2010 17:37, Stephen Powell wrote:
But for a kernel install or reconfigure, it is the responsibility of the
kernel maintainer scripts to invoke the bootloader. See also, for example,
linux-image-2.6.26-2-s390.postinst, where
On Tue, 08 Jun 2010, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 13:39 +0200, Vincent Danjean wrote:
On 07/06/2010 17:37, Stephen Powell wrote:
But for a kernel install or reconfigure, it is the responsibility of the
kernel maintainer scripts to invoke the bootloader. See also, for
On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 14:00 +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jun 2010, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 13:39 +0200, Vincent Danjean wrote:
On 07/06/2010 17:37, Stephen Powell wrote:
But for a kernel install or reconfigure, it is the responsibility of the
kernel
On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:39:58 -0400 (EDT), Vincent Danjean wrote:
On 07/06/2010 17:37, Stephen Powell wrote:
But for a kernel install or reconfigure, it is the responsibility of the
kernel maintainer scripts to invoke the bootloader. See also, for example,
linux-image-2.6.26-2-s390.postinst,
On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 03:22:46 -0400 (EDT), sean finney wrote:
On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 01:44:05AM +0400, William Pitcock wrote:
Have fun. When you have a release that actually has merit, it can be
reconsidered for inclusion in Debian.
In the meantime, the original plan continues.
actually,
reassign 505609 initramfs-tools
thanks
Hi Stephen,
thanks for stepping up maintaining lilo in Debian! I hope you'll manage this
well.
On Montag, 7. Juni 2010, Stephen Powell wrote:
Perhaps I can offer a solution here. Since William obviously doesn't wish
to maintain this package any longer,
On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:33:52 -0400 (EDT), Holger Levsen wrote:
Hi Stephen,
thanks for stepping up maintaining lilo in Debian! I hope you'll manage this
well.
Um, thanks; but I don't understand the reassignment of bug number 505609 to
package initramfs-tools. If you read my previous posts
On Wed, 26 May 2010, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
You're missing the point. The main selling point to management
is that Linux is free. If they have to buy new backup software
in order to accommodate Linux' backup requirements, that will
kill it on the spot. Whatever boot
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 13:48:14 +0100
Source: grub2
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grub-rescue-pc grub-coreboot grub-efi-ia32 grub-efi-amd64 grub-ieee1275
grub-firmware-qemu grub-yeeloong
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:08:21AM +0100, Chris Carr wrote:
On 25/05/2010 10:00, Harald Braumann wrote:
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:39:52PM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
(4) Users need to test grub2 now.
I've been using grub2 for quite some time now on several different
systems with mixed
On Mon, 31 May 2010 15:56:38 +0200, Josip Rodin j...@entuzijast.net
wrote:
So all this lilo needs to die now, everyone quickly get grub2 talk does
look a fair bit premature. Cynics might say amateurish or worse, YMMV.
grub2 won't magically get better if we just throw more users at it.
I fully
bootloader on
themself, though.
/* also grub2 works pretty well for me but nevertheless I've no idea
why we need to remove good old stable lilo */
Alexey
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On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 04:51:09PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
Right, but also note that there's an open RFH on grub2 #248397
(retitled/refreshed recently, despite the low bug number).
As long as there are tested-and-ready-to-apply[1] patches rotting away
in the BTS without any comments, I
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 04:43:32PM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
On Sat, 29 May 2010 14:40:41 -0400 (EDT), Andreas Barth wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2010 23:39:52 -0400 (EDT), William Pitcock wrote:
After some discussion about lilo on #debian-devel in IRC, it has pretty
On Fri, 28 May 2010 16:44:11 -0400 (EDT), Peter Samuelson wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
It *does* recognize lilo and has special logic to patch lilo after
the restore so that the machine will boot.
So can this software be fooled into thinking it is dealing with lilo?
Would it be sufficient
On Sun, 23 May 2010 16:26:48 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli
z...@debian.org wrote:
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 02:08:59PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
This also means that the grub2 maintainers (both Debian and Upstream)
need to work on the regressions that exist in regard to moving from
lilo or grub legacy
On Tue, 25 May 2010 11:42:34 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell
zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
You're missing the point. The main selling point to management
is that Linux is free. If they have to buy new backup software
in order to accommodate Linux' backup requirements, that will
kill it on the spot.
dummy) partition (this question is for the
grub2-people)? Would that be ok for you?
As for the claims that kernels are too big now, I find that hard to
believe, especially now that we have the large-memory option available.
The standard stock Debian kernel image file that I use for Squeeze
On Sat, 29 May 2010 10:51:10 -0400 (EDT), Marc Haber wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010 11:42:34 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote:
You're missing the point. The main selling point to management
is that Linux is free. If they have to buy new backup software
in order to accommodate Linux' backup
On Sat, 29 May 2010 14:40:41 -0400 (EDT), Andreas Barth wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2010 23:39:52 -0400 (EDT), William Pitcock wrote:
After some discussion about lilo on #debian-devel in IRC, it has pretty
much been determined that kernel sizes have crossed the line past where
On Tue, 25 May 2010 13:12:27 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
No software is entirely without cost ...
volunteers work on whatever they like ...
your specific requirements may differ from their goals ...
volunteers are rarely concerned with market share ...
Le vendredi 28 mai 2010 à 10:45 -0400, Stephen Powell a écrit :
Unfortunately, logical backups of a Linux machine using the extlinux
boot loader do not work with our backup/restore software. The master boot
record and partition boot sector are restored correctly, but
[Stephen Powell]
It *does* recognize lilo and has special logic to patch lilo after
the restore so that the machine will boot.
So can this software be fooled into thinking it is dealing with lilo?
Would it be sufficient to rename /boot/extlinux/extlinux.sys to
/boot/maps or something?
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In gmane.linux.debian.devel.general Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
But like lilo it stays out of unallocated (and therefore not backed up)
sectors. The boot block of extlinux is installed in the boot sector
of a partition, and the second stage loader occupies a file within the
start complaining on the
Syslinux and the Grub mailing lists. I suppose it will be heard.
Does either grub2 or syslinux allow for single-key booting?
It is available in the experimental branch of grub2.
To quote upstream:
hpa: It's trivial to add support for it (just another MENU directive
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