Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 6

2006-10-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:01:22 +0200, Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: install time are indeed buggy, but I see no indication that the jihad against circular dependencies is making any such distinctions. Is the word jihad meant to mean holy, and aggressive, war to spread out a

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 6

2006-10-25 Thread Henning Glawe
On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 02:18:44AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: One can appreciate work done to reduce un-needed circular dependencies without bying the cool aid that all circular dependencies are bad and must be eliminated at all costs. I appreciate the former, I think

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 6

2006-10-25 Thread Jean-Christophe Dubacq
On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 07:01:22AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: install time are indeed buggy, but I see no indication that the jihad against circular dependencies is making any such distinctions. It that's the case, I'm not sure this is the best way to make the point. I'm actually

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 6

2006-10-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 24 Oct 2006, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Ian Jackson] The only argument I've heard against circular dependencies as a general rule is that they can trigger a particularly stupid (and probably not very

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 6

2006-10-25 Thread Christian Perrier
I do think that there is a whift of dogma around the current crusade against all circular dependencies, whther or not the installation phase actually cares about the dependency or not. Oh dear -- have I now offended all Christians? Well, dunno...:-) Seriously speaking, I think

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 6

2006-10-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 02:18:44AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I appreciate the work done by Bill on that issue and I currently do not have the feeling that it is run with the intents you seem to put in the word jihad. One can appreciate work done to reduce un-needed circular

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 6

2006-10-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:43:34 -0700, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 02:18:44AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I appreciate the work done by Bill on that issue and I currently do not have the feeling that it is run with the intents you seem to put in the word

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 6

2006-10-24 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Ian Jackson] The only argument I've heard against circular dependencies as a general rule is that they can trigger a particularly stupid (and probably not very hard to fix) bug in apt, You seem to have missed the argument that packages with circular dependencies are impossible to install and

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 6

2006-10-24 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Ian Jackson] The only argument I've heard against circular dependencies as a general rule is that they can trigger a particularly stupid (and probably not very hard to fix) bug in apt, You seem to have missed the argument that packages

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 6

2006-10-24 Thread Frank Küster
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 24 Oct 2006, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Ian Jackson] The only argument I've heard against circular dependencies as a general rule is that they can trigger a particularly stupid (and probably not very hard to fix) bug in apt, You seem to

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 6

2006-10-24 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006, Frank Küster wrote: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 24 Oct 2006, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Ian Jackson] The only argument I've heard against circular dependencies as a general rule is that they can trigger a particularly stupid (and probably not

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 6

2006-10-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:30:33 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [Ian Jackson] The only argument I've heard against circular dependencies as a general rule is that they can trigger a particularly stupid (and probably not very hard to fix) bug in apt, You seem to have missed

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 6

2006-10-24 Thread Christian Perrier
install time are indeed buggy, but I see no indication that the jihad against circular dependencies is making any such distinctions. Is the word jihad meant to mean holy, and aggressive, war to spread out a religion here? I recently had an argument with another maintainer who also used tha

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 6

2006-10-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Bill Allombert writes (Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 6): Thanks to your collective effort, the number of circular dependencies in Debian has halved since the begining of the year. ... but as previously discussed there is nothing wrong with circular dependencies. (Although

Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 6

2006-10-20 Thread Bill Allombert
Hello Debian developers, Thanks to your collective effort, the number of circular dependencies in Debian has halved since the begining of the year. Here the lists of packages involved in circular dependencies listed by maintainers. This list is also available at