Manoj Srivastava writes ("I hereby resign as secretary"):
> I am hereby resigning as secretary, effective immediately.
I'd just like to join all the other people saying that it's sad that
we have come to this. As you know I haven't always agreed with your
I absolutely What Kale said: /me too!
Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
> Manoj Srivastava writes:
> > As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
> > petition for the DAM to have me removed from the project,
>
> WHAT?? Could these people step up please and tell us WHY you cons
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 04:13:37PM +, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:00:26PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 08:44:11AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > > > As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
> > > > petitio
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 09:02:04AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> > OTOH, it seems to me that there are people with varying degrees of
> > pragmatism.
>
> That implies a (lamentably common) false dichotomy. Free software
> goals *are* pragmatic goals. They directly affect how we interact with
> the di
Noah Meyerhans writes:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 05:04:55PM +, Ian Lynagh wrote:
> > I believe that part of the problem is that we are not all here to
> > create "a free operating system". I have the impression that some
> > developers merely wish to create "an operating system", or perhaps
>
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 05:04:55PM +, Ian Lynagh wrote:
> > project atmosphere. The only way we can "get things back on track"
> > and re-focus our energy on the real reason we are all here... to
> > create a free operating system...
>
> I believe that part of the problem is that we are not a
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 08:44:11AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
> As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
> petition for the DAM to have me removed from the project, I hear you
> too. I am going to spend the next few days evaluating how important the
> proje
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 07:47:50AM -0700, Bdale Garbee wrote:
>
> project atmosphere. The only way we can "get things back on track"
> and re-focus our energy on the real reason we are all here... to
> create a free operating system...
I believe that part of the problem is that we are not all he
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:00:26PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 08:44:11AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > > As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
> > > petition for the DAM to have me removed from the project, I hear you
> > > to
> Now if only we could say positive things about people BEFORE they
> resign, wouldn't this be a better place?
+1E6
John, thank you for taking the time to write and post that note. I couldn't
agree more.
When Manoj and I joined the Debian project, there were only a couple dozen of
us, and
we
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Holger Levsen wrote:
I have now decided to unsubscribe from -vote and -devel, the gain/pain ratio
has become totally unacceptable for me. I guess -project will follow soon.
I wished such flamewars could be fighted at -project and -devel would
be free for what it was intend
Hi John,
very well said, thanks. I suggest everyone to go back and read his mail.
http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1483 is also a nice read about what working
together nicely can achieve. I miss that in Debian.
I have now decided to unsubscribe from -vote and -devel, the gain/pain ratio
has become
The problem is you can't wave a magic wand, and fix the community.
It's a self-feeding cycle which goes on and on and on. Even if we had
a Code of Conduct for Debian, unless it was strongly enforced, its the
same problem.
Whether the ballot was valid or not was immaterial, the response to it
was c
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:57:06PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> Well, I haven't left, but I do far less with Debian now than I used
> to.
> It is still my preferred OS for a variety of reasons. (...)
> I get no joy whatsoever out of the current mailing list
> discussions. (...) We're here to mak
[...] (Sorry for only focusing on the below point, it was a really nice, but at
the same time also scary read!)
>
> One bright spot is that I think there are fewer poisonous people in
> positions of authority in Debian now than in many points in its
> history. We have a great leadership team, in
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:18:04AM -0800, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
>
> That is when Ian pointed out to me how true that was in the Linux
> community. I wonder if Debian is exemplifying this behavior. A lot of
> good people have retired lately.
>
> It is starting to feel like that block of home
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 03:00:11AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Dec 18, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
> > I am hereby resigning as secretary, effective immediately. I was
> Good riddance! It's too bad that you did not leave after misleading
> the other developers about "editorial changes".
On Dec 18, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> I am hereby resigning as secretary, effective immediately. I was
Good riddance! It's too bad that you did not leave after misleading
the other developers about "editorial changes".
> While I must say that the mistake for this ballot lies at my
#include
* Kalle Kivimaa [Thu, Dec 18 2008, 05:11:39PM]:
> Manoj Srivastava writes:
> > As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
> > petition for the DAM to have me removed from the project,
>
> WHAT?? Could these people step up please and tell us WHY you conside
On Friday 19 December 2008 01:44, Manoj Srivastava
wrote:
> I am hereby resigning as secretary, effective immediately. I was
I'm sad to hear this. I think that you have done a great job as secretary.
> I concede that I have made mistakes with the current set of
> votes. And th
Manoj Srivastava writes:
> In the years I have spent in this role since Darren left us,
> I have tried to conduct the votes as I saw the rquirements of the
> constitution, and the limitations of the voting software. But this
> not a view shared by very many people.
I've always found y
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 06:27:15PM +, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 08:44:11AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > I am hereby resigning as secretary, effective immediately.
>
> Thank you for all the good work you've done in that position over the years.
>
> >
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:44:34AM -0700, Bdale Garbee wrote:
> As one of the few people around who has been part of the Debian project
> as long as you have, please accept my sincere appreciation for your long
> history of meaningful contributions... and in particular your lengthy
> and honorable
Manoj,
As one of the few people around who has been part of the Debian project
as long as you have, please accept my sincere appreciation for your long
history of meaningful contributions... and in particular your lengthy
and honorable service as our secretary!
You have earned and retain my imm
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
> I am hereby resigning as secretary, effective immediately.
Thank you very much for your work in such a difficult role for so long.
Debian is certainly a better project for your efforts.
> Mistakes happen. Mistakes can be recovered from. What can not,
>
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 08:44:11AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> I am hereby resigning as secretary, effective immediately.
Thank you for all the good work you've done in that position over the years.
> As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
> petitio
On 11603 March 1977, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> I am hereby resigning as secretary, effective immediately.
:( Sorry to hear that. Whoever is your follower *will* have a hard
time.
> As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
> petition for the DAM to have me
Manoj Srivastava writes:
> As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
> petition for the DAM to have me removed from the project,
WHAT?? Could these people step up please and tell us WHY you consider
expelling Manoj from Debian would be a good thing? Feel free to us
also sprach Manoj Srivastava [2008.12.18.1544 +0100]:
> As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
> petition for the DAM to have me removed from the project, I hear you
> too. I am going to spend the next few days evaluating how important the
> project is to me, a
Manoj,
This is very unfortunate for Debian. You diligently adhered
to the Constitution in the face of rabid criticism from a
few loudmouths who were too lazy to resolve their concerns
about poorly worded proposals at the appropriate time.
Sadly, by this action you have only encouraged the jackal
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 08:44:11AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>Hi folks,
>
>I am hereby resigning as secretary, effective immediately. I was
> planning on leaving the office soon, anyway, but I had a rewrite of
> Devotee underway, which would have made the software more useful for
> dif
Hi
Dne Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:44:11 -0600
Manoj Srivastava napsal(a):
> I am hereby resigning as secretary, effective immediately.
Thanks for your hard work!
> As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
> petition for the DAM to have me removed from the proj
On Thu Dec 18 08:44, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
> I am hereby resigning as secretary, effective immediately
Thank you for your hard work in this post. I'm sorry to see that a few
zealots can cause so many hard working folks to consider leaving the
project. Personally, if we are to do witho
On 2008-12-18, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
> petition for the DAM to have me removed from the project, I hear you
> too.
I don't like this.
> I am going to spend the next few days evaluating how important the
> project i
- "Manoj Srivastava" wrote:
> I am hereby resigning as secretary, effective immediately. I was
> planning on leaving the office soon, anyway, but I had a rewrite of
> Devotee underway, which would have made the software more useful for
> different people (different checks --LDAP.g
Hi folks,
I am hereby resigning as secretary, effective immediately. I was
planning on leaving the office soon, anyway, but I had a rewrite of
Devotee underway, which would have made the software more useful for
different people (different checks --LDAP.gpg. and others), and allowed
De
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