Re: Leverage in licensing discussions (was: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations)

2008-11-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Michelle Konzack dijo [Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 08:24:44AM +0100]: Sorry, I am not nativ english spaker... And yes is is what I have meant... Neither am I, so I'll try to get this point across one last time. And there are several 100 cases where in general the projects are 100% open, but for

Re: Leverage in licensing discussions (was: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations)

2008-11-08 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello David, Am 2008-11-07 08:35:16, schrieb David Bremner: At Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:27:13 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: And as I have already written, I do not know HOW OpenMoko will solv this problem, but FreeRunner/OpenMoko or PurpleMagic are not allowd to run in Europe with Open

Re: Leverage in licensing discussions (was: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations)

2008-11-07 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 07 novembre 2008 à 00:27 +0100, Michelle Konzack a écrit : The problem is, that even if it is mass production since some time, I can not distribute the firmware as open source since it change the behavour of the hardware which then can distrurb the GSM network. This

Re: Leverage in licensing discussions (was: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations)

2008-11-07 Thread David Bremner
At Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:27:13 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: And as I have already written, I do not know HOW OpenMoko will solv this problem, but FreeRunner/OpenMoko or PurpleMagic are not allowd to run in Europe with Open Source GSM-Firmware. And of course, PurpleMagic has never

Re: Leverage in licensing discussions (was: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations)

2008-11-07 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-11-04 14:02:14, schrieb Josselin Mouette: In other words, I think the carrot has better leverage on them than the stick. Of course it all depends on who we???re talking, as the stick will work just fine on an obscure Chinese manufacturer but not on a world-leading company that sells

Re: Leverage in licensing discussions (was: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations)

2008-11-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 04 novembre 2008 à 10:23 +1100, Ben Finney a écrit : How does this follow? Surely if the firmware is already being distributed by the project, that's a *smaller* incentive to the vendor to change the license. The position “Your license isn't acceptable to us; please change the

Leverage in licensing discussions (was: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations)

2008-11-03 Thread Ben Finney
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Distributing the non-free firmware with regular package updates in non-free [has a particular effect] But the most important thing is that it gives leverage to convince manufacturers to actually distribute the firmware with a free license. How