* Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk [110419 15:24]:
The OnlyShowIn/NotShowIn items should normally not be used, unless there
is a tight integration between a DE and the app itself. e.g. a tool to
configure the appearance of Plasma should probably have OnlyShowIn=KDE
What exceptions are
On 2011-04-18, Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org wrote:
Currently there is none of this[1]. I think it makes no sense to discuss
if things should have desktop files or whether it makes sense to
remove the old working system.
what do you miss from the xdg specs?
/Sune
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* Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk [110419 09:41]:
On 2011-04-18, Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org wrote:
Currently there is none of this[1]. I think it makes no sense to discuss
if things should have desktop files or whether it makes sense to
remove the old working system.
what do you
On 2011-04-19, Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org wrote:
* Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk [110419 09:41]:
On 2011-04-18, Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org wrote:
Currently there is none of this[1]. I think it makes no sense to discuss
if things should have desktop files or whether it makes
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:50:29 +0200
Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org wrote:
* Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu [110418 15:33]:
As far as I understood [1] fvwm 2.6 now can use XDG menus. So it might
be that even fvwm users will be happy about desktop files. Can we now
come back to the
* Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org [110419 12:50]:
How can the old Debian menu system be considered as working when it
has never supported translation? All those titles and longtitles, not
a single one can be shown as a translated string.
Let's not start about longtitles, those Comments found
* Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk [110419 12:32]:
On 2011-04-19, Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org wrote:
* Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk [110419 09:41]:
On 2011-04-18, Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org wrote:
Currently there is none of this[1]. I think it makes no sense to discuss
if
On 2011-04-19, Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org wrote:
What about nautilus.desktop's (at least in squeeze):
Name=File Manager
and no GenericName. Would that be a policy violation?
I would consider that a bug.
At least my default Plasma Desktop menu shows the menu as
GenericName (in black
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 13:34:43 +0200
Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org wrote:
* Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org [110419 12:50]:
How can the old Debian menu system be considered as working when it
has never supported translation? All those titles and longtitles, not
a single one can be
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 04:16:23PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 13:34:43 +0200
Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org wrote:
[...]
And the debian menu has supported translations since longer than .desktop
files even exist. It just has the strange idea that it might be easier
Hi,
DPL asked us to increase traffic on devel - so I'd like to warm up
a recent discussion
On Sat, Mar 05, 2011 at 04:22:01PM -0800, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Fair enough. Would you, then, be satisfied by my answer that
they are used? I am a current real life user of fvwm, and I am on
* Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu [110418 15:33]:
As far as I understood [1] fvwm 2.6 now can use XDG menus. So it might
be that even fvwm users will be happy about desktop files. Can we now
come back to the discussion whether it might make sense to have desktop
files for desktop
On Sat, Mar 05, 2011 at 04:22:01PM -0800, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Do you have concrete data to add here, apart from speculation? I
would be interested in such data (as the once and perhaps future
maintainer of fvwm in Debian).
I have no idea whether it is pure speculation or wrong
On Sun, Mar 06 2011, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Sat, Mar 05, 2011 at 04:22:01PM -0800, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Do you have concrete data to add here, apart from speculation? I
would be interested in such data (as the once and perhaps future
maintainer of fvwm in Debian).
I have no
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 06:52:39PM -0800, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
I was a fan of fvwm for years and I even have configured my xfce with
fvwm keycodes to have the same handling. However, if you ask me the
typical fvwm user (if something like this exists at all) is most
probably ignoring
On Sat, Mar 05 2011, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 06:52:39PM -0800, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
I was a fan of fvwm for years and I even have configured my xfce with
fvwm keycodes to have the same handling. However, if you ask me the
typical fvwm user (if something like this
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 09:27:07PM -0800, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
(isn't it only icewm and ratpoison and blackbox we might 'lose' by
simply killing the debian menu)
And fvwm,
I was a fan of fvwm for years and I even have configured my xfce with
fvwm keycodes to have the same
Le jeudi 03 mars 2011 à 22:56 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
Lintian intentionally doesn't do this because the Debian maintainers of
the desktop systems in Debian didn't want lots of desktop entries for
applications without a GUI, which often currently have menu entries.
Surely they can
On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 00:31:13 +0100
Sean Finney sean...@debian.org wrote:
On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 23:01 +0100, Christoph Egger wrote:
Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes:
(isn't it only icewm and ratpoison and blackbox we might 'lose' by
simply killing the debian menu)
Last time I
On 2011-03-04, Manoj Srivastava sriva...@ieee.org wrote:
(isn't it only icewm and ratpoison and blackbox we might 'lose' by
simply killing the debian menu)
And fvwm,
According to the internets, there is a fvwm-xdg-menu python script that
is supposed to make the xdg/fdo menu in a
Le Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 09:02:39AM +, Neil Williams a écrit :
Why is it acceptable for window managers to use a menu which cannot support
translation?
Actually it does :
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/05/msg00011.html
This said, I think that translating the Debian
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 09:04 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 03 mars 2011 à 22:56 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
Lintian intentionally doesn't do this because the Debian maintainers of
the desktop systems in Debian didn't want lots of desktop entries for
applications without a
Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 12:30 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 09:04 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 03 mars 2011 à 22:56 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
Surely they can filter out entries with Terminal: true?
Yeah sure, and leave users without the
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 01:49:43PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 12:30 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 09:04 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 03 mars 2011 à 22:56 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
Surely they can filter out entries
On Fri, Mar 04 2011, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 09:27:07PM -0800, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
(isn't it only icewm and ratpoison and blackbox we might 'lose' by
simply killing the debian menu)
And fvwm,
I was a fan of fvwm for years and I even have configured my
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@ieee.org writes:
Could you please remind me why, given that we currently have a
large number of menu files, that a menu2xdg script is not being
considered as the better path moving forward?
The menu and desktop category and classification systems are not
Hi,
as I explained on Debian Med list[1] the existence of a desktop file is
nearly as relevant as a manpage for a good user experience for users who
are not that addicted to the command line as most of us are. I have not
made any stats how many packages with applications which deserve a
desktop
On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:27:53 +0100
Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote:
as I explained on Debian Med list[1] the existence of a desktop file is
nearly as relevant as a manpage for a good user experience for users who
are not that addicted to the command line as most of us are. I have not
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 10:18:58AM +, Neil Williams wrote:
What happened to the idea that debian/menu files can be converted to
desktop files, maybe not during package build but as a tool for
maintainers?
The idea is as good as its implementation proceeds. :-)
IMHO a tool for maintainers
On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 14:46 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 10:18:58AM +, Neil Williams wrote:
What happened to the idea that debian/menu files can be converted to
desktop files, maybe not during package build but as a tool for
maintainers?
The idea is as good
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 02:36:43PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
I think it's crazy to expect maintainers to provide both menu and
desktop files for everything. That information should be provided once
only, in whichever format is the more expressive (I think that would be
desktop files,
On 2011-03-03, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
I think it's crazy to expect maintainers to provide both menu and
desktop files for everything. That information should be provided once
only, in whichever format is the more expressive (I think that would be
desktop files, possibly
On 03/03/11 15:17, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
It doesn't seem to me that your proposal of making it a release goal for
Wheezy is incompatible with Andreas' proposal. Bottom line: a lintian
check would be a first useful step (the heuristic is clearly more
debatable, but I'm no condition to
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort po...@debian.org writes:
Not sure if somebody has proposed it or not, but another heuristic would
be whether there is a debian menu file but not a desktop file.
Lintian intentionally doesn't do this because the Debian maintainers of
the desktop systems in Debian didn't
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes:
ACK on the de-duplication (although I don't know whether they are in
fact more expressive than current Debian menu files).
Desktop files are in general more expressive than menu files, and
remaining missing features could be fairly easily added, I
Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes:
(isn't it only icewm and ratpoison and blackbox we might 'lose' by
simply killing the debian menu)
Last time I checked fluxbox and awesome where both debian menu only as
well.
Regards
Christoph
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On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 09:07:52AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort po...@debian.org writes:
Not sure if somebody has proposed it or not, but another heuristic would
be whether there is a debian menu file but not a desktop file.
Lintian intentionally doesn't do this
On 2011-03-03, Christoph Egger christ...@debian.org wrote:
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Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes:
(isn't it only icewm and ratpoison and blackbox we might 'lose' by
simply killing the debian menu)
Last time I checked fluxbox and awesome where both debian menu only as
well.
a quick
On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 23:01 +0100, Christoph Egger wrote:
Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes:
(isn't it only icewm and ratpoison and blackbox we might 'lose' by
simply killing the debian menu)
Last time I checked fluxbox and awesome where both debian menu only as
well.
instead of
On Thu, Mar 03 2011, Sune Vuorela wrote:
On 2011-03-03, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
and per-WM hooks should take care of any conversion required at
installation time. Let's make that a release goal for wheezy instead of
perpetuating these parallel menu systems.
Down with the
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