Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-30 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Mar 23 2018, Ben Finney wrote: >> You need online access to make use of the above information in any >> way. >> >> If you want to contact the maintainer you need internet access > > With the maintainer email address, I do not need internet access to > compose an email

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-24 Thread Simon McVittie
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 at 11:02:17 +0100, Alexander Wirt wrote: > On Sat, 24 Mar 2018, Ole Streicher wrote: > > Given the fact that nobody strongly questioned the limitation of > > salsa.d.o to git (and therefore the requirement to migrate from other > > VCSs), I would have no objection against

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-24 Thread Alexander Wirt
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018, Ole Streicher wrote: > Joerg Jaspert writes: > > packages.d.o/packagename and you are there. Nothing else needed. > > packages.d.o does not provide a canonical URL for the repository. > > It is even more difficult: I have first to select the package name,

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-24 Thread Ole Streicher
Joerg Jaspert writes: > packages.d.o/packagename and you are there. Nothing else needed. packages.d.o does not provide a canonical URL for the repository. It is even more difficult: I have first to select the package name, then select the distribution, go to the tracker.d.o,

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-24 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Fri, 2018-03-23 at 04:07 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Fri, 2018-03-23 at 03:33:48 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > apt show $PACKAGE > > > > There's no need to duplicate the information inside .dsc/.deb and apt > > indices. > > Do you realize that the point of the repository (not apt :)

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-24 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 14986 March 1977, Ole Streicher wrote: > which IMO proves that a sophisticated "layout" with namespaces or > subdirs is a bad idea for canonical URLs. > Why can't we have a flat name space with redirection > https://git.debian.org/ > (or similar) that just redirects to the proper real

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-23 Thread Daniele Nicolodi
On 23/03/2018 17:04, Ole Streicher wrote: > Why can't we have a flat name space with redirection > > https://git.debian.org/ > > (or similar) that just redirects to the proper real location within salsa? > Our source package names are unique, so there should be no conflicts. > > That would make

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-23 Thread Ole Streicher
Joerg Jaspert writes: > So that got us to "It would be nice. It does not work usefully. -> It > won't happen". And basically you can expect another hostname change to > happen *AGAIN* in the future, should we switch from gitlab to > whatever-is-good-then, UNLESS that

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-23 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 14984 March 1977, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> That was announced several times and it will not reside. > Why? Lack of volunteers maintaining a redirector, or new service > incompatible with indirections, or? Multiple things, and it ended up a decision we took at the meeting in Hamburg.

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-23 Thread Simon McVittie
On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 at 13:56:09 +0100, Markus Koschany wrote: > If you were involved in team maintenance you would know that the > Uploaders field is often completely outdated. The only way you can see > who maintains a package is by looking at the Git history or upload > history in

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-23 Thread Markus Koschany
Am 23.03.2018 um 05:27 schrieb Guillem Jover: > On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 23:23:22 +0100, Markus Koschany wrote: >> Am 22.03.2018 um 15:40 schrieb Guillem Jover: >>> On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 12:47:44 +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 09:58 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: [...] >> You

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-23 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 15:40 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > I'm not sure now if this also has been said before, but I'm happy to > repeat it in any case. :) I'd very strongly object to completely moving > those fields out of the source packages, because it means when you get > or have a source

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Guillem Jover
On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 23:23:22 +0100, Markus Koschany wrote: > Am 22.03.2018 um 15:40 schrieb Guillem Jover: > > On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 12:47:44 +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > >> On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 09:58 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > >>> I admit I do not agree with this and it was discussed here

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Guillem Jover
On Fri, 2018-03-23 at 03:33:48 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > apt show $PACKAGE > > There's no need to duplicate the information inside .dsc/.deb and apt > indices. Do you realize that the point of the repository (not apt :) indices is precisely to duplicate all the information from the

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Ben Finney
Adam Borowski writes: > but pray tell, what will you do with that URL? Visit it later, when I *do* have internet access. Many people have internet connections that are unreliable, slow, expensive, arbitrarily blocked, or some combination of all those. We should not assume

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:22:52AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > Markus Koschany writes: > > If you want to contact the maintainer you need internet access > > With the maintainer email address, I do not need internet access to > compose an email message. Without that information I

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 15:40 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > Hi! > > On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 12:47:44 +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 09:58 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > > > I admit I do not agree with this and it was discussed here before. Can > > > we please agree that

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Ben Finney
Markus Koschany writes: > Am 22.03.2018 um 15:40 schrieb Guillem Jover: > > I'd very strongly object to completely moving those fields out of > > the source packages [&.3] I'll happily take outdated data than no > > data any day, because usually you can use that outdated data to

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Markus Koschany
Am 22.03.2018 um 15:40 schrieb Guillem Jover: > Hi! > > On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 12:47:44 +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: >> On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 09:58 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: >>> I admit I do not agree with this and it was discussed here before. Can >>> we please agree that anonscm.debian.org

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 03:54:46PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 03:40:21PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > > [...] I'd very strongly object to completely moving > > those fields out of the source packages, because it means when you get > > or have a source package lying

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 03:40:21PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > [...] I'd very strongly object to completely moving > those fields out of the source packages, because it means when you get > or have a source package lying around then it's missing important > metadata and it stops being

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 12:47:44 +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 09:58 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > > I admit I do not agree with this and it was discussed here before. Can > > we please agree that anonscm.debian.org remains a valid URL and stop > > starting another round

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread David Prévot
Hi, Le 22/03/2018 à 02:23, Andreas Tille a écrit : > My personal policy is: I will not change Vcs fields until cme is doing > this for me Did you miss the last announcement, almost two weeks ago, on this list? https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2018/03/msg00266.html (aka: you’re already

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Alexander Wirt
On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 12:56:30PM +0100, Alexander Wirt wrote: > > > > > > On the other hand the current timing does not allow for a probably > > > complex implementation and a http redirect which is even implemented[2] > > > can help to relax the

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 12:56:30PM +0100, Alexander Wirt wrote: > > > > On the other hand the current timing does not allow for a probably > > complex implementation and a http redirect which is even implemented[2] > > can help to relax the situation we are currently facing. I admit I > >

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Alexander Wirt
On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi Lars, > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 12:47:44PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 09:58 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > > > I admit I do not agree with this and it was discussed here before. Can > > > we please agree that

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > I'm repeating myself, but could we please find another way to store > this information than in the source package? I'd like to see all of Sure. > I envision a service, metadata.debian.org, with a suitable > authenticated API to allow Debian

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Lars, On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 12:47:44PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 09:58 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > > I admit I do not agree with this and it was discussed here before. Can > > we please agree that anonscm.debian.org remains a valid URL and stop > > starting

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 09:58 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > I admit I do not agree with this and it was discussed here before. Can > we please agree that anonscm.debian.org remains a valid URL and stop > starting another round of package uploads for the sake of changing Vcs > fields. I'm repeating

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Alexander Wirt (2018-03-22 10:03:46) > On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, Andreas Tille wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > today I realised the lintian warning: > > > > W: libbpp-core source: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure vcs-git > > https://anonscm.debian.org/git/debian-med/libbpp-core.git > > N:

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Alexander Wirt
On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi, > > today I realised the lintian warning: > > W: libbpp-core source: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure vcs-git > https://anonscm.debian.org/git/debian-med/libbpp-core.git > N: > N:The specified Vcs-* field points to an area within the

New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, today I realised the lintian warning: W: libbpp-core source: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure vcs-git https://anonscm.debian.org/git/debian-med/libbpp-core.git N: N:The specified Vcs-* field points to an area within the *.debian.org N:infrastructure but refers to a version