Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-28 Thread Timo Röhling
* Paul Wise [2021-02-27 23:15]: I assume folks are wanting a per-user consent to download from debuginfod services instead of or in addition to the per-system consent being proposed to add via debconf. I strongly prefer the debconf solution only. Companies tend to have policies which police

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-28 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 07:22:07AM +, Ian Campbell wrote: > On Sat, 2021-02-27 at 17:30 -0500, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: > > I don't know if I understand the pushback I'm seeing > > against using a debconf question for this. > > FWIW I don't think I've read any actual pushback on that in th

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-27 Thread Ian Campbell
On Sat, 2021-02-27 at 17:30 -0500, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: > I don't know if I understand the pushback I'm seeing > against using a debconf question for this. FWIW I don't think I've read any actual pushback on that in this thread although I can see how it might appear that way to another rea

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-27 Thread Sergio Durigan Junior
On Saturday, February 27 2021, Paul Wise wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 10:31 PM Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: > >> Anyway, as I said before, I don't intend to work on this specific idea >> right away, and I don't know if I understand the pushback I'm seeing >> against using a debconf question fo

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-27 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 10:31 PM Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: > Anyway, as I said before, I don't intend to work on this specific idea > right away, and I don't know if I understand the pushback I'm seeing > against using a debconf question for this. It seems to me that this is > exactly why debc

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-27 Thread Sergio Durigan Junior
On Saturday, February 27 2021, Ian Campbell wrote: > On Sat, 2021-02-27 at 11:21 -0500, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: >> On Saturday, February 27 2021, Ian Campbell wrote: >> > >> > FWIW that would be my personal preference too (probably with some sort >> > of cache, maybe once per library or exec

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-27 Thread Ian Campbell
On Sat, 2021-02-27 at 11:21 -0500, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: > On Saturday, February 27 2021, Ian Campbell wrote: > > > > FWIW that would be my personal preference too (probably with some sort > > of cache, maybe once per library or executable or some granularity like > > that)... > > BTW, lib

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-27 Thread Sergio Durigan Junior
On Saturday, February 27 2021, Ian Campbell wrote: > On Sat, 2021-02-27 at 11:47 +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 03:55:17PM -0500, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: >> As I said in the announcement message, I have proposed a Merge >> Request >> against elfutils in order to enable th

Re: Unsolicited internet access in default installs (was: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net)

2021-02-27 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues (2021-02-27 15:24:52) > Quoting Steinar H. Gunderson (2021-02-27 13:46:27) > > On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 12:29:34PM +, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: > > > I would prefer Kurt's option. Network silence is important. > > > Network noise would probably be a bug

Re: Unsolicited internet access in default installs (was: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net)

2021-02-27 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 03:24:52PM +0100, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > No idea why we are still asking whether popcon should be enabled or not > because > apparently it's 2021 and it's okay to tell others out there that I just > installed Debian. This is a strawman, though. popcon c

Unsolicited internet access in default installs (was: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net)

2021-02-27 Thread Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
Quoting Steinar H. Gunderson (2021-02-27 13:46:27) > On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 12:29:34PM +, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: > > I would prefer Kurt's option. Network silence is important. Network > > noise would probably be a bug. A sysadmin should not be made to take > > special precautions to avoi

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-27 Thread Ian Campbell
On Sat, 2021-02-27 at 11:47 +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 03:55:17PM -0500, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: > As I said in the announcement message, I have proposed a Merge > Request > against elfutils in order to enable the automatic usage of our > debuginfod server.  I know that

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-27 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 12:29:34PM +, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: > I would prefer Kurt's option. Network silence is important. Network > noise would probably be a bug. A sysadmin should not be made to take > special precautions to avoid the inadvertent disclosure of the user's > presence on th

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-27 Thread Thaddeus H. Black
Thanks for consulting us, Sergio, before proceeding. On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 11:47:40AM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 03:55:17PM -0500, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: > > As I said in the announcement message, I have proposed a Merge Request > > against elfutils in order to ena

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 03:55:17PM -0500, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: > As I said in the announcement message, I have proposed a Merge Request > against elfutils in order to enable the automatic usage of our > debuginfod server. I know that there are people who are not comfortable > with having a

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-27 Thread Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
Quoting Ian Campbell (2021-02-24 18:50:39) > What are the security implications for users/clients of using this or more > importantly enabling it by default? > > Presumably clients have to trust that the server is not going to feed > them malicious debug info. Are the tools which consume this info

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-26 Thread Sergio Durigan Junior
On Saturday, February 27 2021, Ian Campbell wrote: > On Thu, 2021-02-25 at 15:55 -0500, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: >> so a possible mitigation to this issue would be to have a debconf  >> question asking whether the user wants to enable system-wide  >> debuginfod usage or not. > > ... this sound

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-26 Thread Ian Campbell
Thank you both for your replies. Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > Do these considerations overcome the concerns, so as to provide a > comfortable out-of-the-box experience for most users? I'm not totally convinced about silently enabling it by default, but... On Thu, 2021-02-25 at 15:55 -0500, Sergio D

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-25 Thread Sergio Durigan Junior
On Thursday, February 25 2021, Ian Campbell wrote: >> What about information leakage? apart from debugids does this leak >> anything else to the server? On a quick look it seems like it might >> potentially leak source code paths (at least the leaf bits) to things >> being debugged -- does this me

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-25 Thread Ian Campbell
Frank's original reply didn't make it to the list for some reason and has also gone missing on his end so resending on his request. On Wed, 2021-02-24 at 15:23 -0500, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: --- Hi, Ian - ijc wrote: > [...] > What are the security implications for users/clients of using this

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-25 Thread Sudip Mukherjee
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 4:03 AM Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: > > Hello there, > > I would like to announce a new service that I have just configured for > Debian: https://debuginfod.debian.net. Thanks a lot for this. I used it last night to check a coredump for a ppc64el package and it worked fla

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-24 Thread Sergio Durigan Junior
On Wednesday, February 24 2021, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:25:02AM -0500, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: >> Hm, that's a bummer. I mean, you can certainly set up an instance for >> you, but it takes a lot of time to mirror debian-debug (some days, >> depending on your

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-24 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:25:02AM -0500, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: > Hm, that's a bummer. I mean, you can certainly set up an instance for > you, but it takes a lot of time to mirror debian-debug (some days, > depending on your network connection). I don't know if that would be > interesting

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-24 Thread Ian Campbell
On Wed, 2021-02-24 at 16:58 +, Ian Campbell wrote: Ugh, sorry, the quoting seems to have gone quite wrong there, let me try again... > On Tue, 2021-02-23 at 22:53 -0500, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: > Hello there, > > I would like to announce a new service that I have just configured > for >

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-24 Thread Ian Campbell
On Tue, 2021-02-23 at 22:53 -0500, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: Hello there, I would like to announce a new service that I have just configured for Debian: https://debuginfod.debian.net. debuginfod is a new-ish project whose purpose is to serve ELF/DWARF/source-code information over HTTP.  It is

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-24 Thread Sergio Durigan Junior
On Wednesday, February 24 2021, Christoph Berg wrote: > Re: Sergio Durigan Junior >> I would like to announce a new service that I have just configured for >> Debian: https://debuginfod.debian.net. > > Very cool! Thanks! >> Currently, the elfutils and GDB packages in unstable and testing have >>

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-24 Thread Sergio Durigan Junior
On Wednesday, February 24 2021, Shengjing Zhu wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 10:53:14PM -0500, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: >> Hello there, >> >> I would like to announce a new service that I have just configured for >> Debian: https://debuginfod.debian.net. >> > > Thanks a lot for this great

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-24 Thread Hector Oron
Hello Christoph, On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 11:06, Christoph Berg wrote: > Maybe the service should move to debuginfod.debian.*org* if it's going > to be a default. (Which I would like to see.) Yes, that is part of the plan, but it'll take some more time. Regards -- Héctor Orón -.. . -... .. .-

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-24 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Sergio Durigan Junior > I would like to announce a new service that I have just configured for > Debian: https://debuginfod.debian.net. Very cool! > Currently, the elfutils and GDB packages in unstable and testing have > native support for using debuginfod. I will soon propose a change to >

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-24 Thread Eugen Stan
On 24.02.2021 05:53, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: Hello there, I would like to announce a new service that I have just configured for Debian: https://debuginfod.debian.net. Congratulations. This seems like a great help for people debugging code. Eugen

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-23 Thread Shengjing Zhu
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 10:53:14PM -0500, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: > Hello there, > > I would like to announce a new service that I have just configured for > Debian: https://debuginfod.debian.net. > Thanks a lot for this great service. I have two questions. 1. Do you want to include contr