Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-16 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 11.04.19 09:44, Mo Zhou wrote: > Different from that, duprkit's design don't hope to limit> the user with any > pre-defined "sequence", but enable the users to> selectively call the functions they need. In other words, the> user can define how to deal with the prepared source+debian

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-16 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 10.04.19 16:56, Helmut Grohne wrote: Hi, > I looked into this. Your reasons are sound and you are scratching your> itch. > This is great. ACK. It's always good when people make their hands dirty and work on solving actual problems. Even if the actual output (=code, etc) finally doesn't get

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-14 Thread Shengjing Zhu
On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 4:02 AM Thomas Goirand wrote: > > On 4/8/19 7:16 PM, Shengjing Zhu wrote: > >> from PPA (source+binary-based). > > > > If people just want a PPA which supports Debian, please just take a > > look at OBS[1]. > > > > I've seen many upstreams provide packages with OBS, and

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-13 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 4/8/19 7:16 PM, Shengjing Zhu wrote: >> from PPA (source+binary-based). > > If people just want a PPA which supports Debian, please just take a > look at OBS[1]. > > I've seen many upstreams provide packages with OBS, and most > distributions are supported. > Not only deb, but also rpm, from

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:27 PM Simon McVittie wrote: > Flatpak treats /usr as immutable (with the exception of mounting > "extensions" on pre-prepared empty directories) and mounts it read-only in > the container. If it didn't, it wouldn't be able to use content-addressed > storage (the storage

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-12 Thread Simon McVittie
On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 at 10:49:57 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > Is there any reason that making /app a > symlink to /usr (or a directory containing only links to /usr) > wouldn't work inside Flatpak packages? Flatpak treats /usr as immutable (with the exception of mounting "extensions" on pre-prepared

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 7:01 PM Simon McVittie wrote: > The "app" (directly-user-facing part) in a Flatpak package will be mounted > on /app and so is expected to be built with --prefix=/app, so you can't > reuse a compiled binary .deb unless it's for something that happens to be > relocatable

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-11 Thread Simon McVittie
On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 09:54:47 +, Mo Zhou wrote: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 09:26:15AM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 07:44:30 +, Mo Zhou wrote: > > It might be interesting to look at game-data-packager, which is another > > tool that builds and optionally installs

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-11 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 09:54:47AM +, Mo Zhou wrote: > Any link please? Both apt-file-search and google found nothing. It's in contrib. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/game-data-packager -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-11 Thread Mo Zhou
Hi, On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 09:26:15AM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 07:44:30 +, Mo Zhou wrote: > It might be interesting to look at game-data-packager, which is another > tool that builds and optionally installs .deb files for data that is > not suitable for the

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-11 Thread Simon McVittie
On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 07:44:30 +, Mo Zhou wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 04:56:51PM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > It seems that a key aspect of this thing is avoiding to (re)distribute > > sources. It might be interesting to look at game-data-packager, which is another tool that builds

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-11 Thread Mo Zhou
Hi Helmut, Thank you very much for the detailed review! :-) On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 04:56:51PM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > It seems that a key aspect of this thing is avoiding to (re)distribute > sources. You give good reasons for why this is needed and I see no need > to reiterate or discuss

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-10 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hi Mo, On Mon, Apr 08, 2019 at 11:18:14AM +, Mo Zhou wrote: > The proposed idea is to take some advantages from source-based > software distribution tools. Examples are available here: > https://github.com/dupr/duprkit > https://github.com/dupr/DefaultCollection I looked into this. Your

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-08 Thread Shengjing Zhu
> from PPA (source+binary-based). If people just want a PPA which supports Debian, please just take a look at OBS[1]. I've seen many upstreams provide packages with OBS, and most distributions are supported. Not only deb, but also rpm, from Debian/Ubuntu to OpenSuse/Fedora, and even Archlinux,

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-08 Thread Alf Gaida
DUR is fine, DPA is fine PPA is not - as it is used before in a totally different context. The idea just to require git is really nice, putting all the things into a single file is not. Not even Arch does it. (patches, install, config ...) - so the default debian dir should be enough.

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Apr 08, 2019 at 11:18:14AM +, Mo Zhou wrote: The proposed idea is source-only-based, and is totally different from PPA (source+binary-based). I'm a PPA user and I don't have any reason to re-invent yet another PPA. Sorry I appreciate that *your* idea is different, and effectively

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-08 Thread Mo Zhou
On Mon, Apr 08, 2019 at 03:50:19PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > Hi, > > The README states a directory structure with a top-level collection > directory, but the repository currently does not include one. The github.com:dupr/DefaultCollection.git repo is indeed a specification compliant if you

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-08 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
Hi, On 08/04/2019 14:18, Mo Zhou wrote: > Hi, > > The proposed idea is source-only-based, and is totally different > from PPA (source+binary-based). I'm a PPA user and I don't have > any reason to re-invent yet another PPA. > > The proposed idea is to take some advantages from source-based >

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-08 Thread Mo Zhou
Hi, The proposed idea is source-only-based, and is totally different from PPA (source+binary-based). I'm a PPA user and I don't have any reason to re-invent yet another PPA. The proposed idea is to take some advantages from source-based software distribution tools. Examples are available here:

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-08 Thread Ondřej Surý
Or DPA (Debian Personal Archive)... Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý > On 8 Apr 2019, at 12:32, Holger Levsen wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 08, 2019 at 10:18:39AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: >>> At the first glance I interpreted the sentence as >>> "This will only lead to flamewars" >>> due to the meaning

PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-08 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Apr 08, 2019 at 10:18:39AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > At the first glance I interpreted the sentence as > > "This will only lead to flamewars" > > due to the meaning of bikeshed[1]. > > > > However, I got a hint from a fellow developer and learned that > > "Bikeshed" has its own