Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-17 Thread Drew Parsons
GTK+ 1.2 has been deprecated upstream for 6 years. There is no security support for it, and no new applications using it have been out for quite a long time as well. Here is a first list of packages that could either be removed right now because they seem to have replacements, or

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-11 Thread Tim Dijkstra
On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:06:26 +0100 Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Dijkstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] digitaldj = prokyon3 It still works, some people still use it... so I do not see any need to remove it now. If the time comes to remove gtk+1.2, digitaldj can go too IYAM. I'm

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-11 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 11 décembre 2008 à 11:46 +0100, Tim Dijkstra a écrit : It still works, some people still use it... so I do not see any need to remove it now. If the time comes to remove gtk+1.2, digitaldj can go too IYAM. I'm not using it anymore, and certainly do not have the time to port it. As

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-11 Thread Neil Williams
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:12:04 +0100 Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le jeudi 11 décembre 2008 à 11:46 +0100, Tim Dijkstra a écrit : It still works, some people still use it... so I do not see any need to remove it now. If the time comes to remove gtk+1.2, digitaldj can go too

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-11 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote: As this reaction is quite common, maybe I should make things more clear. * Yes, GTK+ 1.2 is going away before the squeeze release. * If everyone says “I’m going to remove my pet package when it is the last one”, it is obvious that we are never

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we, therefore, just say that unless maintainers remove the package themselves after the Lenny release, all reverse dependencies of gtk1.2 and gtk1.2 itself will be removed from Debian during the month before the

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-11 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 02:12:04PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 11 d??cembre 2008 ?? 11:46 +0100, Tim Dijkstra a ??crit : It still works, some people still use it... so I do not see any need to remove it now. If the time comes to remove gtk+1.2, digitaldj can go too IYAM. I'm

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-11 Thread Tim Dijkstra
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:42:08 +0100 (CET) Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote: As this reaction is quite common, maybe I should make things more clear. * Yes, GTK+ 1.2 is going away before the squeeze release. * If everyone says “I’m

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-11 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-12-05 19:06 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: OHURA Makoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] xemacs21 = maybe we need to wait for emacs23 I'm not sure that hardcore XEmacs users can be convinced to switch to Emacs, even if Emacs 23 will provide the necessary eye-candy that is lacking from Emacs 22.

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-09 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
Dear Neil Gunner, Thank you for your long, detailed and convincing postings in this thread. I really appreciate it! The argument that finally made me surrender was that time is perhaps better spent helping upstream authors make the conversion. So I guess we're on the same page now. And I'd be

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-09 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 02:08:48PM +0100, Morten Kjeldgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Neil Gunner, Thank you for your long, detailed and convincing postings in this thread. I really appreciate it! The argument that finally made me surrender was that time is perhaps better spent helping

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-09 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 09 décembre 2008 à 14:08 +0100, Morten Kjeldgaard a écrit : On top of this, asking a scientist for updating the software for a new version of a toolkit will come as an extra burden. Scientists will see this as endless quest for your own shadow. When they've finally gotten around to

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-09 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 06:40:48PM -0600, Raphael Geissert a écrit : There's a testing security team in case you were not aware of it. Stable and Testing security teams make great work. It is just a shame that random developers write package X could annoy the security team(s) instead of I

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-09 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] (09/12/2008): Fortunately, porting to GTK+ 3 is going to be *much* easier. I’ll post something about it as soon as the upstream release plans are official. SCNR: 2to3.py Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-09 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Charles Plessy dijo [Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 08:48:34AM +0900]: seecurity is of course important, but as I was told during the last DPL debate, it is possible to opt out support from the security team, which is only for Stable anyway. Buffer overflows are not the same issues when viewing

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-09 Thread Barry deFreese
Hi folks, In case any of you are interested/care. Just for kicks I started digging through many of the r(b)depends for gtk+1.2. I have posted my notes here: http://people.debian.org/~bdefreese/gtk+1.2_rdepends_notes Yes, I know the format is hideous, sorry. I have already done some RM:s

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-09 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 10:48 -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: As for scientific software, nobody will find the time or the money to upgrade from GTK1.2 to GTK2 only for the beauty of it. People are rewarded on their new developments, not on code maintainance. Agree. But people might willing

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-09 Thread Barry deFreese
Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 08 décembre 2008 à 08:25 -0600, William Pitcock a écrit : On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 19:08 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Gah, I thought it was able to handle SNES ROMs. The correct answer would probably be zsnes, although it only works on i386.

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-09 Thread David Goodenough
On Friday 05 December 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote: Hi, GTK+ 1.2 has been deprecated upstream for 6 years. There is no security support for it, and no new applications using it have been out for quite a long time as well. snip/ Cheers, Why not remove the -dev packages first. That way no

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-09 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:52:44 + David Goodenough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not remove the -dev packages first. That would make every reverse dependency instantly buggy with release-critical FTBFS bugs! No thanks! It must be possible to build all packages in Lenny only from the Debian

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-09 Thread David Goodenough
On Tuesday 09 December 2008, Neil Williams wrote: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:52:44 + David Goodenough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not remove the -dev packages first. That would make every reverse dependency instantly buggy with release-critical FTBFS bugs! No thanks! It must be possible to

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-09 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:32:27 + David Goodenough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well perhaps what is needed is a way of marking a package as deprecated, and this was what I was trying (badly) to achieve. Better to be explicit. Maybe Section: oldlibs needs to be more forcefully expressed? Any

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-09 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 08:03:31AM +0100, Mike Hommey a écrit : Why are people so unwilling to use oldstable Le Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 10:48:29AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf a écrit : Well, you can perfectly keep a cluster of Woody machines for a long time! OK, I think that you have a good point: if

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Charles Plessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I think that you have a good point: if removed in Lenny+1, GTK+1.2 will still be apt-gettable for around three years, and then hopefully forever from snapshots.debian.org. And archive.debian.org, which includes

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
On Sunday 07 December 2008 16:10:34 Charles Plessy wrote: With its thousands of packages, Debian is not so rich in manpower, so if the current maintainers of GTK+ 1.2 want to abandon it and the QA team is not interested in keeping it, there is no other choice than to adopt it (and its 43

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 08 décembre 2008 à 14:35 +0100, Morten Kjeldgaard a écrit : I must admit I was under the impression from this discussion that GTK+ 1.2 was simply _unwanted_ in Debian due to reasons of out-of-dateness and possible security problems... Yes, it is unwanted. I’d like to see it

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread William Pitcock
On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 19:08 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le vendredi 05 décembre 2008 à 21:43 -0600, Raphael Geissert a écrit : Alain Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] gsnes9x = visualboyadvance ? C'mon, there are at least 15 years between the two consoles. And nope,

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread William Pitcock
On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 20:42 +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: You forgot xmms. It is still heavily used and there are no alternative for it. (It is just such a application as xv - very old but there are no alternative that completely replace it (in all facets).) There's not? There's at least 20

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Barry deFreese
Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: snip I am quite willing to adopt the package and maintain it, but I couldn't find it on the list of orphans. Maybe I didn't look hard enough? That list is enormous... :-( On a side note, I already am attempting to adopt a companion for GTK+ 1.2, namely gktglarea [1].

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Cyril Brulebois
William Pitcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] (08/12/2008): Unless you're talking about the ugly XMMS GUI. In which case, I believe QMMS is available for packaging. So says an audacious packager and upstream author. Pot. Kettle. Black. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 08 décembre 2008 à 08:25 -0600, William Pitcock a écrit : On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 19:08 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Gah, I thought it was able to handle SNES ROMs. The correct answer would probably be zsnes, although it only works on i386. Actually, gsnes9x can just be dropped.

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
William Pitcock wrote: Unless you're talking about the ugly XMMS GUI. In which case, I believe QMMS is available for packaging. You meant 'QMMP'? It reproduces XMMS GUI and it is in unstable already. -- Eugene V. Lyubimkin aka JackYF, JID: jackyf.devel(maildog)gmail.com Ukrainian C++

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Rene Engelhard
Josselin Mouette wrote: Rene Engelhard [EMAIL PROTECTED] aria = gwget You're kidding? gwget does not have many features aria has. manedit = gmanedit Grüße/Regards, René -- .''`. René Engelhard -- Debian GNU/Linux Developer : :' : http://www.debian.org |

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 08 décembre 2008 à 16:27 +0100, Rene Engelhard a écrit : Josselin Mouette wrote: Rene Engelhard [EMAIL PROTECTED] aria = gwget You're kidding? gwget does not have many features aria has. This is just a first guess based on the description. If you want to still see these

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Rene Engelhard
Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 08 décembre 2008 à 16:27 +0100, Rene Engelhard a écrit : Josselin Mouette wrote: Rene Engelhard [EMAIL PROTECTED] aria = gwget You're kidding? gwget does not have many features aria has. This is just a first guess based on the description.

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:35:46 +0100 Morten Kjeldgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am quite willing to adopt the package and maintain it, but I couldn't find it on the list of orphans. Maybe I didn't look hard enough? That list is enormous... :-( All the more reason to remove any package that

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Barry deFreese
Neil Williams wrote: snip Barry - PLEASE do not continue with the request for sponsorship of gtkglarea. snip Neil, My apologies but I just uploaded it. It still has a few r(b)depends: rdepends: xt worlded vertex python-visual rbdepends: celestia vertex xt Sorry, Barry deFreese -- To

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:24:13 -0500 Barry deFreese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neil Williams wrote: snip Barry - PLEASE do not continue with the request for sponsorship of gtkglarea. snip Neil, My apologies but I just uploaded it. It still has a few r(b)depends: and will still

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi, Barry deFreese wrote: Neil Williams wrote: snip Barry - PLEASE do not continue with the request for sponsorship of gtkglarea. snip ... My apologies but I just uploaded it. It still has a few r(b)depends: Well, post-lenny, all of them will be RC-buggy when GTK+ 1.2 is removed.

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Barry deFreese
Neil Williams wrote: snip Has my response changed your opinion of gtkglarea in Debian? You could always join the calls for packages depending on gtkglarea to migrate to libgtkgl2.0 and thereby support the removal of gtk1.2 and glib1. Not at all. In fact even for Lenny I attempted to do

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Morten Kjeldgaard dijo [Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 01:50:44AM +0100]: However, I maintain my objection. One thing is removing out-of-date applications, another is to remove a library which may well be used by users to compile and link their local applications. Even though there are no apps in

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
On 08/12/2008, at 20.55, Gunnar Wolf wrote: . Should we keep obsolete, deprecated, abandoned software forever? No, certainly not forever. Nobody has suggested keeping GTK+ 1.2 forever. Hmmm... Sounds like an argument for porting Debian to the C64. It's great if you can present your

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:49:09 +0100 Morten Kjeldgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the purposes of Debian and the FOSS community is to make it possible to develop and distribute software that is authored and supported by volunteers. True. We have a responsibility of supporting

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Morten Kjeldgaard dijo [Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 02:35:46PM +0100]: With its thousands of packages, Debian is not so rich in manpower, so if the current maintainers of GTK+ 1.2 want to abandon it and the QA team is not interested in keeping it, there is no other choice than to adopt it (and

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Morten Kjeldgaard dijo [Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 02:27:00PM +0100]: For whom is the Debian distribution? Is it created to satisfy the needs of only the packagers and developers? If so, it is absolutely logical to get rid of everything a couple of years past expiry date. To be clear, we are not

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Morten Kjeldgaard dijo [Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:49:09PM +0100]: . Should we keep obsolete, deprecated, abandoned software forever? No, certainly not forever. Nobody has suggested keeping GTK+ 1.2 forever. But... There will always be a little tail of tools wanting it. We will have to drop

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Raphael Geissert
Charles Plessy wrote: [...] Hi all, seecurity is of course important, but as I was told during the last DPL debate, it is possible to opt out support from the security team, which is only for Stable anyway. There's a testing security team in case you were not aware of it. Cheers,

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-08 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 08:48:34AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 04:25:56PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf a écrit : All sorts of programming practices that have become obsoleted (or outright shown to be dangerous) over the years. As an example - Around ten years ago few people

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-07 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 10:41:52PM +0100, Morten Kjeldgaard a écrit : Please don't remove GTK+ 1.2. There are still upstream authors, especially in science who use GTK+ 1.2 and who don't bother revising their programs from the wisdom: if it ain't broke don't fix it. Hi Morten, With its

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-07 Thread George Danchev
On Saturday 06 December 2008 23:15:06 Klaus Ethgen wrote: Am Sa den 6. Dez 2008 um 21:38 schrieb Daniel Moerner: xmms is gone: It is still in stable and there are many installations. More than 7000 in popcon. And there is still no alternative. IMHO audacious is a pretty decent alternative

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-06 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 01:50:44AM +0100, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: On 06/12/2008, at 00.09, Michael Banck wrote: There are several useful science programs that still make use of GTK+ 1.2, one is a very useful chemistry program, GAMGI, which is in the new queue and on its way into

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-06 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 5 Dec 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote: Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] libgtkimreg paul = Yay, an imaging library and an image viewer As I said in a similar thread: These two packages should not block a GTK 1.2 removal but as long as the library is there they might remain. Just found

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-06 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
On 06/12/2008, at 10.01, Mike Hommey wrote: With such arguments, we would still ship every single bit that was shipped some day. This is going nowhere. I don't recall advocating that every single bit that was shipped some day should be kept around. You are twisting my words and distorting

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-06 Thread Barry deFreese
Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: snip For whom is the Debian distribution? Is it created to satisfy the needs of only the packagers and developers? If so, it is absolutely logical to get rid of everything a couple of years past expiry date. snip So I am not advocating keeping every bit of software

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-06 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 09:20:31AM -0500, Barry deFreese wrote: Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: So I am not advocating keeping every bit of software around. If we keep every version of every library out there how do we support it? Morten did not say that. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-06 Thread Barry deFreese
Michael Banck wrote: On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 09:20:31AM -0500, Barry deFreese wrote: Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: So I am not advocating keeping every bit of software around. If we keep every version of every library out there how do we support it? Morten did not say

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-06 Thread Devid Antonio Filoni
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Devid Filoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] dillo = there is a new upstream based on FLTK I'm working on fltk2 package in order to update dillo to the new upstream version that requires it. Devid Antonio Filoni -- To

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 05 décembre 2008 à 21:43 -0600, Raphael Geissert a écrit : Alain Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] gsnes9x = visualboyadvance ? C'mon, there are at least 15 years between the two consoles. And nope, visualboyadvance doesn't replace gsnes9x, although the latter is just a

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 06 décembre 2008 à 14:27 +0100, Morten Kjeldgaard a écrit : GTK+ 1.2 is not just any old library. It was the first truly open and free graphics toolkit of excellent quality, an alternative to Motif and the ugly Xaw widget sets, and was eagerly embraced by everyone. This is a

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-06 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
On 06/12/2008, at 15.47, Barry deFreese wrote: Obviously I was exaggerating purposely. Yes, but, you know, exaggerating the position of others in a forum like this is not really constructive. In fact, it signals that you've run out of arguments. I raised a -- I think -- valid concern

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-06 Thread Barry deFreese
Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: On 06/12/2008, at 15.47, Barry deFreese wrote: Obviously I was exaggerating purposely. Yes, but, you know, exaggerating the position of others in a forum like this is not really constructive. In fact, it signals that you've run out of arguments. Give me a

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-06 Thread Julien BLACHE
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And nope, visualboyadvance doesn't replace gsnes9x, although the latter is just a front-end. Gah, I thought it was able to handle SNES ROMs. The correct answer would probably be zsnes, although it only works on i386. You missed the word frontend

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-06 Thread Mark Brown
On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 04:25:17AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le vendredi 05 d?cembre 2008 ? 22:49 +, Mark Brown a ?crit : It's nothing to do with power management. I'd rather let it stay until lenny is released, though if it were the only thing keeping GTK 1.2 in it should go.

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-06 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You forgot xmms. It is still heavily used and there are no alternative for it. (It is just such a application as xv - very old but there are no alternative that completely replace it (in all facets).) Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-06 Thread Daniel Moerner
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Klaus Ethgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You forgot xmms. It is still heavily used and there are no alternative for it. (It is just such a application as xv - very old but there are no alternative that completely

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-06 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Sa den 6. Dez 2008 um 21:38 schrieb Daniel Moerner: xmms is gone: It is still in stable and there are many installations. More than 7000 in popcon. And there is still no alternative. Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-06 Thread Sam Morris
On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:06:26 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] putty = hotwire, a plain terminal… According to http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/wishlist/ port-unix-gtk2.html, PuTTY trunk will build against GTK+ 2.0. \o/ -- Sam Morris

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-06 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:15:06 +0100 Klaus Ethgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sa den 6. Dez 2008 um 21:38 schrieb Daniel Moerner: xmms is gone: It is still in stable and there are many installations. More than 7000 in popcon. And there is still no alternative. Soon to be only in oldstable -

Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi, GTK+ 1.2 has been deprecated upstream for 6 years. There is no security support for it, and no new applications using it have been out for quite a long time as well. I think it is more than time to remove it from the archive. Of course, this can only be done after we have dealt with the

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-05 Thread James Vega
On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 07:06:26PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Jon Bernard [EMAIL PROTECTED] e16menuedit = we don’t ship E16 anymore packages.debian.org says otherwise. -- James GPG Key: 1024D/61326D40 2003-09-02 James Vega [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-05 Thread Barry deFreese
Josselin Mouette wrote: snip Debian Games Team [EMAIL PROTECTED] lmemory = gcompris ? I'll take a look at this one. snip Debian QA Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnome-libs gtkfontsel gtkglarea imlib netdude sqlrelay stegdetect = QA-maintained packages should be

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-05 Thread Barry deFreese
Barry deFreese wrote: OK, I have looked at several of these and man what a mess. snip Debian QA Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnome-libs Orphaned but obviously tons of r(b)depends. gtkfontsel Orphaned but a fairly significant popcon. I can't find new upstream source. Could probably be

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday 05 December 2008 13:06, Josselin Mouette wrote: Paul Mangan [EMAIL PROTECTED]    sylpheed-gtk1 (U) ... Ricardo Mones [EMAIL PROTECTED]    sylpheed-gtk1  = sylpheed-claws sylpheed-gtk1 should be replaced by sylpheed. sylpheed-claws (now claws-mail) is a fork. Scott K -- To

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-05 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
On 05/12/2008, at 21.11, Barry deFreese wrote: Is this really feasible? How many people are going to work on dead packages? Or if we RM: the lot of them, how many users are we pissing off? There are several useful science programs that still make use of GTK+ 1.2, one is a very

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] gtimer = hamster-applet, gnotime My intention is to request removal of gtimer when there's a consensus that GTK+ 1.2 is going away. The package has been RFA for years without a nibble, I haven't used it personally

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-05 Thread Luk Claes
Russ Allbery wrote: Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] gtimer = hamster-applet, gnotime My intention is to request removal of gtimer when there's a consensus that GTK+ 1.2 is going away. The package has been RFA for years without a nibble, I

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-05 Thread Mark Brown
On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 07:06:26PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] powertweak = Is that still relevant with modern power management policies? It's nothing to do with power management. I'd rather let it stay until lenny is released, though if it were the only

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-05 Thread Michael Banck
Hi, On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 10:41:52PM +0100, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: On 05/12/2008, at 21.11, Barry deFreese wrote: Is this really feasible? How many people are going to work on dead packages? Or if we RM: the lot of them, how many users are we pissing off? There are several

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-05 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
On 06/12/2008, at 00.09, Michael Banck wrote: There are several useful science programs that still make use of GTK+ 1.2, one is a very useful chemistry program, GAMGI, which is in the new queue and on its way into unstable. AFAICT, gamgi is using GTK-2.0. Yes you are right, gamgi uses

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 05 décembre 2008 à 13:19 -0500, James Vega a écrit : On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 07:06:26PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Jon Bernard [EMAIL PROTECTED] e16menuedit = we don’t ship E16 anymore packages.debian.org says otherwise. Ah right, it was renamed. Anyway, there is

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 05 décembre 2008 à 15:11 -0500, Barry deFreese a écrit : gtkfontsel Orphaned but a fairly significant popcon. I can't find new upstream source. Could probably be ported or RM:d. The notion of X fonts is simply losing its meaning now that most if not all toolkits are using

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 05 décembre 2008 à 22:49 +, Mark Brown a écrit : On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 07:06:26PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] powertweak = Is that still relevant with modern power management policies? It's nothing to do with power management. I'd

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-05 Thread Raphael Geissert
Barry deFreese wrote: [...] stegdetect RM: filed. Why isn't just the xsetg package dropped? stegdetect is a CLI app; only xsteg uses GTK+ Cheers, /me who has stegdetect installed and keeps it around to time by time try to find something that just isn't there -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-05 Thread Barry deFreese
Raphael Geissert wrote: Barry deFreese wrote: [...] stegdetect RM: filed. Why isn't just the xsetg package dropped? stegdetect is a CLI app; only xsteg uses GTK+ Cheers, /me who has stegdetect installed and keeps it around to time by time try to find something that just

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-05 Thread Raphael Geissert
Josselin Mouette wrote: [...] Joerg Jaspert [EMAIL PROTECTED] xbindkeys-config = I think we have quite a number of key-event managers already And is prone to buffer overflow attacks (only reported one atm, though). Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] gentoo The maint docs will