Re: Packages with RFCs deleted

2007-09-20 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 09:46:47AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 01:08:40AM +1000, Anthony Towns a ?crit : > > For what it's worth, we don't do that. References I'm aware of: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/05/msg00092.html > > http://lists.debian.org/

Re: Packages with RFCs deleted

2007-09-19 Thread Ben Finney
Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > thank for the links. So in the end, am I right to say that, since > the point of view of the FTP team is that RFC are software, > orig.tar.gz files which contain them fail to comply the DFSG and > therefore are not accepted in main? No. Whether or not

Re: Packages with RFCs deleted

2007-09-19 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 01:08:40AM +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit : > > For what it's worth, we don't do that. References I'm aware of: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/05/msg00092.html > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/05/msg00149.html Hi Anthony, thank for the lin

Re: Packages with RFCs deleted

2007-09-18 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 11:24:21PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 03:35:15PM -0500, Peter Samuelson a ?crit : > I fully agree with what you write. Indeed what I support is not to ignore > the RFC or other similarly non-free, non-programmatic files, but to > document them in

Re: Packages with RFCs deleted

2007-09-18 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 03:35:15PM -0500, Peter Samuelson a écrit : > A lot of users appreciate our promise to read all the licenses so they > don't have to. > as I explain further, suddenly we have a user who notices, for the > first time, that the RFC (or Sun Java, or whatever) actually _does_

Re: Packages with RFCs deleted

2007-09-17 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Charles Plessy] > On the other hand, does the effort of removing these documents from > the upstream sources has any chance to make things change in the > future, by either having the IETF freeing the RFCs, or volunteers > paraphrasing free versions of them? The fact that Debian cares about lice

Re: Packages with RFCs deleted

2007-09-15 Thread paddy
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 11:38:38AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 12:05:26PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit a ?crit : > > > I think that shipping the non-programmatic, non-modifiable works in > non-free binary packages generated from source packages located in main > would better

Re: Packages with RFCs deleted

2007-09-15 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2007/9/14, Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > This said, it does not make a big difference, apart from the packager's > time... But would I be asked to expurge one of my package, I would > probably consider moving it in non-free instead. The nice thing about the current system is that whoever w

Re: Packages with RFCs deleted

2007-09-14 Thread Ben Finney
Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Much of the free software development is about creating replacements > of non-free component to build a free OS with free applications. If so, that's an effect, not the goal. The goal isn't about "creating replacements", it's about increasing freedom f

Re: Packages with RFCs deleted

2007-09-14 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 12:05:26PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit a écrit : > With your argument, gcc would be in non-free right now... This is why it has been proposed on this list that original sources containing non-free elements that are not part of the software could be allowed in main, as long as n

Re: Packages with RFCs deleted

2007-09-14 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 07:05:08AM +, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 08:50:04PM -0500, Peter Samuelson a écrit : > > > > We're pretty much at an impasse, then, so I don't think I'll reply > > after this message. I, and many Debian folks, don't quite understand > > the essenti

Packages with RFCs deleted

2007-09-14 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 08:50:04PM -0500, Peter Samuelson a écrit : > > We're pretty much at an impasse, then, so I don't think I'll reply > after this message. I, and many Debian folks, don't quite understand > the essential difference, between functional source code and > non-functional documen