Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-07 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Joey Hess] > Probably making the print server task install it instead of lpr, which > would have a side effect of making sure it's on CD#1 if it's not > already. Probably also demoting the lpr package to optional and moving > cups from there to standard. Possibly making lsb depend on part of cups

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-03 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 01:44, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 02:51:53AM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > > For the vast majority of situations, it's incredibly easier to configure, > > and usually more reliable about output, than lprng. > > Implying that there are circumstances where CUP

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-03 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 02:51:53AM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > For the vast majority of situations, it's incredibly easier to configure, > and usually more reliable about output, than lprng. Implying that there are circumstances where CUPS will produce valid output, and lprng will not? I'm inte

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-02 Thread Andreas Barth
* Joe Wreschnig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030802 10:05]: > CUPS is configurable via ordinary text configuration files like most > Unix programs, a web interface (which is what I use), GNOME or KDE > frontends, probably a number of miscelleaneous toolkit frontends, too... > > Personally, I'm surprised t

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-02 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 23:31, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:52:04PM +0100, Ross Burton wrote: > > However, I am biased, as I package the GNOME CUPS packages... :) > > And as a random comment, it's really sad that a printing system would have > any sort of dependency whatsoever on

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-01 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:52:04PM +0100, Ross Burton wrote: > As a random reply... > However, I am biased, as I package the GNOME CUPS packages... :) And as a random comment, it's really sad that a printing system would have any sort of dependency whatsoever on Gnome (or KDE, for that matter).

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-01 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 09:44:17AM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > The last time I tried to use CUPS, I found it to be so user friendly > that I couldn't get it to do anything useful. Very pretty, less > functional; and the documentation was entirely inadequate. > > On the other hand, whi

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-01 Thread Joey Hess
Keegan Quinn wrote: > FWIW, I've had very good experiences with the CUPS in unstable, so > I'd not object to this. OTOH, installing it without it being 'default' > is already quite trivial. What would this change entail, exactly? Probably making the print server task install it instead of lpr, w

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-01 Thread Mark Brown
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:49:59PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > Do we actually need a default print service at all? Mail is much more > fundamental, for example, but lots of computers these days don't have a > printer attached at all. We needn't install a print service by default but if someone

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-01 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On pe, 2003-08-01 at 12:32, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: > It is a good solution for any user level with most common printers/needs, > thus it > should be the default (IMHO). Do we actually need a default print service at all? Mail is much more fundamental, for example, but lots of compu

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-01 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 11:35:13AM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote: > FWIW, I've had very good experiences with the CUPS in unstable, so > I'd not object to this. OTOH, installing it without it being 'default' > is already quite trivial. What would this change entail, exactly? So i had/have either in

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Alan Shutko
Bas Zoetekouw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So am I. To bad it isn't lpr compatible at all (at least not > lprng-lpr). Well, lprng isn't lpr... but if there are clienty things you want, you could probably use lprng's clients with CUPS's lpr server. -- Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - I am the

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Cyrille! You wrote: > I'm mostly using its lpr-compatible command-line interface. So am I. To bad it isn't lpr compatible at all (at least not lprng-lpr). -- Kind regards, ++ | Bas Zoetekouw | GPG key: 0644fab

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Keegan Quinn
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 03:38:55PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > I believe it would be a good idea if the default print system in the > next release of Debian (Sarge) is changed to CUPS. CUPS is a more > complete, more userfriendly and RFC complient printing system. FWIW, I've had very good

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Cyrille Chepelov
Le Thu, Jul 31, 2003, à 03:09:15PM +0100, Ross Burton a écrit: > On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 15:00, Cyrille Chepelov wrote: > > if only gnome-cups-manager wasn't leaking memory like a CPU leaks > > heat...) > > Terribly sorry about this. It's only gnome-cups-icon which leaks like > mad, so you can kill

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Ross Burton
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 15:00, Cyrille Chepelov wrote: > if only gnome-cups-manager wasn't leaking memory like a CPU leaks > heat...) Terribly sorry about this. It's only gnome-cups-icon which leaks like mad, so you can kill that and use eggcups instead (looks almost identical). I'll be removing e

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:52:04PM +0100, Ross Burton wrote: > On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 14:44, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > > The last time I tried to use CUPS, I found it to be so user friendly > > that I couldn't get it to do anything useful. Very pretty, less > > functional; and the documentation wa

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Antony Gelberg
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 03:38:55PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > > > I believe it would be a good idea if the default print system in the > > next release of Debian (Sarge) is changed to CUPS. CUPS is a more > > complete, more userfriendly and RFC complient printing system. > > > > htt

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Cyrille Chepelov
Le Thu, Jul 31, 2003, à 09:44:17AM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz a écrit: > The last time I tried to use CUPS, I found it to be so user friendly > that I couldn't get it to do anything useful. Very pretty, less > functional; and the documentation was entirely inadequate. Well, while what you describe

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Ross Burton
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 14:44, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > The last time I tried to use CUPS, I found it to be so user friendly > that I couldn't get it to do anything useful. Very pretty, less > functional; and the documentation was entirely inadequate. > > On the other hand, while lprng was anythi

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 03:38:55PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > I believe it would be a good idea if the default print system in the > next release of Debian (Sarge) is changed to CUPS. CUPS is a more > complete, more userfriendly and RFC complient printing system. > > http://www.cups