Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-04 Thread ian_bruce
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:09:04 +0200 Christian PERRIER wrote: > This mail is a very good argument to confirm that overcomplicated > methods to make your point will just fail. > > If you have a point to make it, make ti. Once. With facts. I supplied plenty of facts. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-04 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting ian_br...@fastmail.net (ian_br...@fastmail.net): > If Debian bug report #684128 proves anything, it is that you will never > convince anyone with technical argument, facts advanced in support of Sorry, but Debian bug #684128 only proves one thing : that we (the D-I team) were mostly tryin

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/05/2013 04:43 AM, Christian PERRIER wrote: > Nothing proves that the patches you proposed will be ignored *after* > the release of wheezy. Christian, Not fixing this bug would be a very bad move, because it can lead to having partitions not aligned to a 4K boundary, meaning that your system

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 4 April 2013 20:47, wrote: > On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:09:04 +0200 > Christian PERRIER wrote: > >> This mail is a very good argument to confirm that overcomplicated >> methods to make your point will just fail. >> >> If you have a point to make it, make ti. Once. With facts. > > I supplied plenty

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 07:37:19PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > Nothing proves that the patches you proposed will be ignored *after* > > the release of wheezy. > Christian, > > Not fixing this bug would be a very bad move, because it can lead > to having partitions not aligned to a 4K boundary

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread The Wanderer
On 04/05/2013 10:40 AM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 07:37:19PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Not fixing this bug would be a very bad move, because it can lead to having partitions not aligned to a 4K boundary, meaning that your system would be slow. If any tools don't r

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/05/2013 07:59 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > The default to base-10 units, is good as majority of the installer > deals with HDD drives (not SSD) and not RAM. Come on... it's not! Let's be serious 5 minutes here. There isn't even a warning about which units are in use. This fools our users (me

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Hi Thomas, Le vendredi, 5 avril 2013 17.52:19, Thomas Goirand a écrit : > On 04/05/2013 07:59 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > > And all of these features will only land for the next cycle > > with a release in ~= 2 years time. > > I really hope that it wont be the case. That it doesn't go into > De

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/05/2013 10:40 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 07:37:19PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: >>> Nothing proves that the patches you proposed will be ignored *after* >>> the release of wheezy. >> Christian, >> >> Not fixing this bug would be a very bad move, because it can le

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Apr 06, 2013 at 02:50:19AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > >>> Nothing proves that the patches you proposed will be ignored *after* > >>> the release of wheezy. > >> Christian, > >> > >> Not fixing this bug would be a very bad move, because it can lead > >> to having partitions not aligned t

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/06/2013 12:16 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > Le vendredi, 5 avril 2013 17.52:19, Thomas Goirand a écrit : >> On 04/05/2013 07:59 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: >>> And all of these features will only land for the next cycle >>> with a release in ~= 2 years time. >> I really hop

Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread Cyril Brulebois
[ Not answering all occurrences, things got repeated a few times… ] Thomas Goirand (06/04/2013): > I've wrote that we should at least address the issue, in a way or > another, through the next point release if that is safer. It is not. > But, are you seriously proposing that we leave the issue

Re: Re: failure to communicate

2013-04-05 Thread ian_bruce
a écrit : > You want that bug fixed? Great: test the patch, document your tests I did all that. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=684128#103 > gather feedback, get involved quoting from the above: I would be interested to hear suggestions as to what sort of tests of bi

SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)

2013-04-05 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/04/13 22:43, Christian PERRIER wrote: > Quoting ian_br...@fastmail.net (ian_br...@fastmail.net): > >> If Debian bug report #684128 proves anything, it is that you will never >> convince anyone with technical argument, facts advanced in support o

SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)

2013-04-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Daniel Pocock writes ("SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)"): > It may actually be useful for the technical committee to review what is > on the wiki and make some general statement about Debian's position (if > they haven't done so in the past), and that can gui

Re: SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)

2013-04-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 11:26:29AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > It may actually be useful for the technical committee to review what is > on the wiki and make some general statement about Debian's position (if > they haven't done so in the past), and that can guide the way similar > bugs are class

Re: SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)

2013-04-05 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
Can we *PLEASE* stop making new threads. It's getting *REALLY* hard to keep playing whack-a-mole with my bozo bin. Keep it all on the same thread. We don't need to 5 threads about this nonsense. It's starting to get annoying. On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 11:26:29AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > ---

Re: SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)

2013-04-07 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 05/04/13 14:06, Ian Jackson wrote: > Daniel Pocock writes ("SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)"): >> It may actually be useful for the technical committee to review what is >> on the wiki and make some general statement about Debian's position (if >&

threads, Subjects: and mailers (was Re: SI units (was Re: failure to communicate))

2013-04-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 07:28:32AM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > Can we *PLEASE* stop making new threads. It's getting *REALLY* hard to > keep playing whack-a-mole with my bozo bin. Fix your mailer… I see precisely one thread, correctly linked together via message-id and references headers, wit