Re: improving downloader packages (was: Re: holes in secure apt)

2014-09-13 Thread Jakub Wilk
* David Kalnischkies , 2014-06-18, 14:11: [0] And his skepticism was reinforced by (independent) discovery of this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1098738 *sigh* and this is still open? 8-O Before someone is rushing to work on that (sorry, I was dreaming)… we actua

Re: improving downloader packages (was: Re: holes in secure apt)

2014-06-25 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Christoph Anton Mitterer dijo [Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 10:24:07PM +0200]: > > I do feel the keyring-maint package is a leftover from days long > > gone. Nowadays the keyring is kept at a DVCS tree, and regularly > > exported to a publicly accessible instance. > Any reason for that "internal" repo? I m

Re: improving downloader packages (was: Re: holes in secure apt)

2014-06-25 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Raphael Hertzog dijo [Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 09:17:25AM +0200]: > > FWIW, I was thinking about including the possible disappearance as one > > of the points to talk about in the DebConf BoF we proposed regarding > > keyring-maint. > > Why not switch it to something more dynamic ? > > Make the packa

Re: improving downloader packages (was: Re: holes in secure apt)

2014-06-20 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 09:17 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Why not switch it to something more dynamic ? Sounds good... > Make the package an empty shell with symlinks pointing to > /var/lib/debian-keyring/, add a cron job that rsyncs the keyring > to that directory. I've just thought about th

Re: improving downloader packages (was: Re: holes in secure apt)

2014-06-20 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Thu, 2014-06-19 at 21:25 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Thanks for bringing this topic up. I'm snipping your very detailed > implementation proposal, which does not sound like it was written at > 4AM at all ;-) ;-) > I do feel the keyring-maint package is a leftover from days long > gone. Nowada

Re: improving downloader packages (was: Re: holes in secure apt)

2014-06-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Thu, 19 Jun 2014, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > FWIW, I was thinking about including the possible disappearance as one > of the points to talk about in the DebConf BoF we proposed regarding > keyring-maint. Why not switch it to something more dynamic ? Make the package an empty shell with symlinks

Re: improving downloader packages (was: Re: holes in secure apt)

2014-06-19 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Christoph Anton Mitterer dijo [Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 04:21:36AM +0200]: > On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 20:14 +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: > > debian-keyring is not useful for automatic authentication of source > > packages. > Well to be honest I never fully understood the idea behind > debian-keyring... > IM

Re: improving downloader packages (was: Re: holes in secure apt)

2014-06-18 Thread David Kalnischkies
(so not going to comment on the first part of the thread, beside maybe: Its really sad that it is even suggested that DDs would need a technical solution for the inherently social problem of a co-worker dying…) On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 04:21:36AM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > On Mon, 201

Re: improving downloader packages (was: Re: holes in secure apt)

2014-06-17 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 20:14 +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: > debian-keyring is not useful for automatic authentication of source > packages. Well to be honest I never fully understood the idea behind debian-keyring... IMHO this should be actually debian-developers-keyring and it should be intended just

Re: improving downloader packages (was: Re: holes in secure apt)

2014-06-16 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Christoph Anton Mitterer , 2014-06-16, 19:50: Thomas mentioned that things would have been more secure if the buildds and e.g. pbuilder pulls in debian-keyring automatically and verify maintainer signatures. debian-keyring is not useful for automatic authentication of source packages. The s

Re: improving downloader packages (was: Re: holes in secure apt)

2014-06-16 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hey Thijs. On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 19:31 +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > You raise a lot of broad concerns under the header "holes in secure apt" > which > I'm afraid does not much to get us closer to a more secure Debian. Well I admit, that first this is just a lot of words... but I think that's

Re: improving downloader packages (was: Re: holes in secure apt)

2014-06-16 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 07:31:14PM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > I think a better way than to create such a policy would be to create a simple > framework that does in-package downloading "right" and that downloader > packages can depend on and call from their scripts (a bit like dbconfig- > co