Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op ma, 14-03-2005 te 20:54 -0500, schreef Daniel Jacobowitz: On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:51:05PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: Perhaps, but then why not just use the existing testing setup? Because, as has been explained several times, it doesn't scale. What are the exact problems? My main

Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-15 Thread Will Newton
On Tuesday 15 March 2005 12:59, Wouter Verhelst wrote: My main gripe with the proposal, as it currently stands, is that it provides a solution for problems that haven't been discussed in detail, without much space for improvements. I agree. I think there is a spectrum of measures that could

Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
On Tuesday 15 March 2005 02:02, John Goerzen wrote: Simply making a snapshot -- or posting a set of .debs -- does not make Debian stable. See #2, for instance. See below, please. 2) Provides no way for such a stable release to be integrated into the security build system; That's

Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 04:06:35PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: I am of the opinion that the testing distribution has been a great help in releasing. ... Is this just a personal opinion or backed by any objective evaluation? I'm asking because as I've already expressed my impression is

SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-14 Thread Anthony Towns
John Goerzen wrote: -vote dropped from Cc's, subject changed. Please, can we take some care over these things? And the result of this discussion is what leaves me with great concern. Specifically, the proposal: 1) Provides no way for an arch to produce a stable release after the initial set

Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-14 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: Halting unstable autobuilding, fixing remaining bugs in an arch-specific freeze, then making a snapshot allows you to produce a release. It may or may not correspond with Debian stable. I am of the opinion that the testing distribution has been a

Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-14 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 10:02:37AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: And the result of this discussion is what leaves me with great concern. Specifically, the proposal: 1) Provides no way for an arch to produce a stable release after the initial set of archs have produced theirs; Halting

Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-14 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:02:05PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: Really, I don't really understand all the difficulty of running apt-get -b source, or pbuilder, or some such for n+1 archs as opposed to just n. With a little use of ssh keys, the whole thing should be completely automated. And I

Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-14 Thread John Goerzen
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 08:14:47PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:02:05PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: Really, I don't really understand all the difficulty of running apt-get -b source, or pbuilder, or some such for n+1 archs as opposed to just n. With a little

Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-14 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:51:05PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 08:14:47PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:02:05PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: Really, I don't really understand all the difficulty of running apt-get -b source, or pbuilder, or