Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-05-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 11:50:30AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> 1. release team >> >> Another arch to sync. And, as with every arch, there would be some >> packages that fail just there. There are still a lot of amd64 specific >> FTBFS bugs (lots

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-05-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 11:50:30AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Sorry, but I still don't understand it: > > > > You could continue to offer the complete archive as it is today, and it > > shouldn't be a big amount of work to offer one or more

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sorry, but I still don't understand it: > > You could continue to offer the complete archive as it is today, and it > shouldn't be a big amount of work to offer one or more partial archives > (e.g. only stable or only i386) from different locations - and

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-29 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 03:50:37PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Martin Waitz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050429 15:40]: > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 05:22:53PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > > > Why not? removing arm from testing does not change at all the number of > > > binary arm packages being pushed

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Martin Waitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > hoi :) > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 05:22:53PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: >> Why not? removing arm from testing does not change at all the number of >> binary arm packages being pushed each day, as the packages between >> testing and unstable are shared (

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-29 Thread Andreas Barth
* Martin Waitz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050429 15:40]: > On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 05:22:53PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Why not? removing arm from testing does not change at all the number of > > binary arm packages being pushed each day, as the packages between > > testing and unstable are shared

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-29 Thread Martin Waitz
hoi :) On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 05:22:53PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > Why not? removing arm from testing does not change at all the number of > binary arm packages being pushed each day, as the packages between > testing and unstable are shared (and only few packages go in via t-p-u). > So, the

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-25 Thread Andreas Barth
* Josselin Mouette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050425 18:20]: > Le lundi 25 avril 2005 à 16:54 +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar a écrit : > > > See, that just makes no sense whatsover. You can claim either: > > > > > > 1) Adding AMD64 would increase the mirror load unacceptably > > > OR > > > 2) Removing ARM

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 25 avril 2005 à 16:54 +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar a écrit : > > See, that just makes no sense whatsover. You can claim either: > > > > 1) Adding AMD64 would increase the mirror load unacceptably > > OR > > 2) Removing ARM would not have a significant effect on the mirror load > > > > bu

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-25 Thread Andreas Barth
* Steve Greenland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050425 16:45]: > On 23-Apr-05, 17:24 (CDT), Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Beyond the fact that it is too late to add another architecture for > > sarge, removing arm from sarge does not make the mirror pulses much > > smaller - and AFAIK the si

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-25 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 09:24:28AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 23-Apr-05, 17:24 (CDT), Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Beyond the fact that it is too late to add another architecture for > > sarge, removing arm from sarge does not make the mirror pulses much > > smaller - and A

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-25 Thread Steve Greenland
On 23-Apr-05, 17:24 (CDT), Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Beyond the fact that it is too late to add another architecture for > sarge, removing arm from sarge does not make the mirror pulses much > smaller - and AFAIK the size of the mirror pulses is the main problem. See, that just m

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-24 Thread Uwe A. P. Wuerdinger
Adrian Bunk schrieb: On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 01:20:42PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 04:24:28PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: A silly question to you as release manager: What exactly are the technical reasons why amd64 can't simply be shipped as 12th architecture with sarge?

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 12:12:42AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: >> Le samedi 23 avril 2005 à 13:20 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : >> > We are already running into size constraints (on an ongoing basis) with our >> > mirr

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Branden J. Moore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 23 Apr 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 04:24:28PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 12:26:45AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: A silly question to you as release manager: What exactly are the technical reasons

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Bernd Eckenfels may or may not have written... > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: >> We are already running into size constraints (on an ongoing basis) with >> our mirrors > We dont need to have all architectures on all mirrors. And for the > less-often used architectures w

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Andreas Barth
* Adrian Bunk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050424 00:30]: > On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 12:12:42AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le samedi 23 avril 2005 à 13:20 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > > > We are already running into size constraints (on an ongoing basis) with > > > our > > > mirrors due to the

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 12:24:44AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Josselin Mouette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050424 00:15]: > > Le samedi 23 avril 2005 à 13:20 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > > > We are already running into size constraints (on an ongoing basis) with > > > our > > > mirrors due to t

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 12:12:42AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le samedi 23 avril 2005 à 13:20 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > > We are already running into size constraints (on an ongoing basis) with our > > mirrors due to the size of the archive. > > Given that - if I believe the security

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Andreas Barth
* Josselin Mouette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050424 00:15]: > Le samedi 23 avril 2005 à 13:20 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > > We are already running into size constraints (on an ongoing basis) with our > > mirrors due to the size of the archive. > Given that - if I believe the security team [1] - w

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 23 avril 2005 à 15:18 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > If we dropped arm, it would be to drop arm, not to trade it for something -- > it's way too late to be talking about adding amd64 to the main archive for > sarge. Why? If the amd64 archive already uses the same sources as the main a

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 12:12:42AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le samedi 23 avril 2005 à 13:20 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > > We are already running into size constraints (on an ongoing basis) with our > > mirrors due to the size of the archive. > Given that - if I believe the security t

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 23 avril 2005 à 13:20 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > We are already running into size constraints (on an ongoing basis) with our > mirrors due to the size of the archive. Given that - if I believe the security team [1] - we are not able to provide security updates for arm, even in woo

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > We are already running into size constraints (on an ongoing basis) with our > mirrors We dont need to have all architectures on all mirrors. And for the less-often used architectures we event dont need to care, since one or two mirrors can easyly hold a

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Sat, 23 Apr 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote: >> A silly question to you as release manager: > >Silly indeed. Use the list archives. You cannot miss the monstruous threads >about it. > >> What exactly are the techni

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 01:20:42PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 04:24:28PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > A silly question to you as release manager: > > > What exactly are the technical reasons why amd64 can't simply be shipped > > as 12th architecture with sarge? >

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 04:24:28PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 12:26:45AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Well, the other big ones would be the installer, being synced up on sources, > > and the ability to do point releases. It seems the first two are addressed, > > and t

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote: > I might have missed this email in the huge threads, but could you point > me to an email explaining why increasing the archive space by less than > 10% exacly hits a hard limit in mirror space? No, I cannot. -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 11:40:03AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Sat, 23 Apr 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > A silly question to you as release manager: > > Silly indeed. Use the list archives. You cannot miss the monstruous threads > about it. I didn't miss the threads, but much o

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote: > A silly question to you as release manager: Silly indeed. Use the list archives. You cannot miss the monstruous threads about it. > What exactly are the technical reasons why amd64 can't simply be shipped > as 12th architecture with sarge? Mirror space

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 12:26:45AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Well, the other big ones would be the installer, being synced up on sources, > and the ability to do point releases. It seems the first two are addressed, > and the third seems to be more or less the same question as that of secu

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-23 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 07:55:52AM +0200, Andreas Jochens wrote: > Steve Langasek wrote: > > Andreas Jochens wrote: > >> It will only be necessary to describe the current situation > >> in the official release documents and include pointers > >> to the separate amd64 archive, which will be provid

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-22 Thread Andreas Jochens
Hello Steve, thank you for your reply to my status report. Steve Langasek wrote: > Andreas Jochens wrote: >> It will only be necessary to describe the current situation >> in the official release documents and include pointers >> to the separate amd64 archive, which will be provided >> by the

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-22 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 08:05:17PM +0200, Andreas Jochens wrote: > As a preparation for the amd64 porters irc meeting tomorrow, > I tried to build the complete Debian sarge archive for the > amd64 architecture from the unpatched Debian sarge sources. > > The result was very encouraging.

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-22 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Andreas, On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 08:05:17PM +0200, Andreas Jochens wrote: > I consider this a good way to split up responsibilities. > This way of handling things could serve as a good example of > how other ports may be organized after sarge is released. I certainly agree with that; unfortu

Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-04-22 Thread Andreas Jochens
As a preparation for the amd64 porters irc meeting tomorrow, I tried to build the complete Debian sarge archive for the amd64 architecture from the unpatched Debian sarge sources. It took about a week to build all 8800+ source packages on a standard single processor EM64T-P4 box (Every package w