Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-07-17 Thread Samuel Henrique
Hello d-devel, As some of you already seem, we have very good news for the Linux gaming community, although somewhat bad for Debian: https://www.steamdeck.com The Steam Deck is a portable gaming device, running SteamOS, to be released later this year. Review video from 2kliksphilip: Valve Steam D

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-07-17 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 01:48:32PM +0100, Samuel Henrique wrote: > that we don't fulfill the needs of a lot of desktop users It is known, as we don't even provide an official installer ISO that makes their hardware usable. > So here's my wish that someday we can have a Debian semi-rolling > relea

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-07-17 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 13:48 +0100, Samuel Henrique wrote: > Hello d-devel, > > As some of you already seem, we have very good news for the Linux > gaming community, although somewhat bad for Debian: > https://www.steamdeck.com > > The Steam Deck is a portable gaming device, running SteamOS, to be

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-07-17 Thread Thaddeus H. Black
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 01:48:32PM +0100, Samuel Henrique wrote: > SteamOS used to be based on Debian, and Valve seems to have decided to > go with Arch instead (great news for Arch, don't get me wrong). > > The reasons for the switch have not been publicized, but I think we're > safe to assume it

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-07-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 12:49 PM Samuel Henrique wrote: > The Steam Deck is a portable gaming device, running SteamOS, to be > released later this year. ... > SteamOS used to be based on Debian, and Valve seems to have decided to > go with Arch instead (great news for Arch, don't get me wrong). V

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-07-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 8:30 AM Hanno 'Rince' Wagner wrote: > On Sun, 18 Jul 2021, Paul Wise wrote: > > > Valve have said that this will be an open device that any OS can be > > installed on, just like on PCs, they even mentioned Windows so > > presumably it will be able to run Debian amd64 too if

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-07-19 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 at 02:25:16 +, Paul Wise wrote: > BTW, the Valve Arch Linux overlay thing appears to be here: > > https://repo.steampowered.com/arch/valveaur/ FYI, that's an overlay for "upstream" Arch, for Arch users who want to try out Mesa and kernel patches that are not yet mainline -

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian?

2021-07-19 Thread Simon McVittie
(Disclosure: I work for Collabora, and I'm currently working on the Steam Runtime.) On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 at 13:48:32 +0100, Samuel Henrique wrote: > As some of you already seem, we have very good news for the Linux > gaming community, although somewhat bad for Debian: ... > https://www.steamdeck.co

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian?

2021-07-19 Thread Samuel Henrique
Hello Simon, That's an awesome reply, thank you very much for having the time to write all of this and adding the links, I have found the Steam runtime bit particularly interesting. > (Disclosure: I work for Collabora, and I'm currently working on the > Steam Runtime.) If you're ever feeling lik

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-10 Thread Sandro Tosi
> I think it would be quite nice to hear from Valve or some of the Debian > folks who work(ed) with them, about the reasons for the rebase. With no > ill will, just to understand what the problems were and if we can learn > something from them. https://www.pcgamer.com/this-is-why-valve-is-switchin

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-10 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 01:31:12PM -0400, Sandro Tosi wrote: > > I think it would be quite nice to hear from Valve or some of the Debian > > folks who work(ed) with them, about the reasons for the rebase. With no > > ill will, just to understand what the problems were and if we can learn > > someth

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 5:38 PM Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > "So, Arch Linux, one of the main reasons, there's a couple, but the main > reason is the rolling updates of Arch allows us to have more rapid > development for SteamOS 3.0," says Yang. "We were making a bunch of > updates and changes to s

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-10 Thread Calum McConnell
On Wed, 2021-08-11 at 00:51 +, Paul Wise wrote: > On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 5:38 PM Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > > "So, Arch Linux, one of the main reasons, there's a couple, but the > > main > > reason is the rolling updates of Arch allows us to have more rapid > > development for SteamOS 3.0,

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-10 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 11 Aug 2021 01:09:29 -0400, Calum McConnell wrote: >On Wed, 2021-08-11 at 00:51 +, Paul Wise wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 5:38 PM Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: >> >> > "So, Arch Linux, one of the main reasons, there's a couple, but the >> > main >> > reason is the rolling updates of

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-11 Thread Steffen Möller
On 11.08.21 08:46, Marc Haber wrote: On Wed, 11 Aug 2021 01:09:29 -0400, Calum McConnell wrote: On Wed, 2021-08-11 at 00:51 +, Paul Wise wrote: On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 5:38 PM Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: "So, Arch Linux, one of the main reasons, there's a couple, but the main reason is t

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-11 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 11 August 2021 11:27 +02, Steffen Möller: > I have no exact idea what to change, though. A rolling Debian would be > cool, yes, but also a bit late when compared with environments that > Conda offers or the ease that comes with multiple installations of conda > to e.g. avoid name conflicts. If

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-11 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 04:08:13PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > I think we have more systemic issues. I am quite impressed how Nix/NixOS > is able to pull so many packages and modules with so few people. But > they use only one workflow, one way to package, one init system, etc. > Looking at Arch

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-11 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
I am fine with Debian's release cycle but It would be nice to see more packages. For example Debian is missing KDE's Amarok music manager. I am happy to see Debian 11 gained KDE Elisa music manager. I am sad to see that VirtualBox is not available on Debian 11. I had to jerry-rig it using the Ubunt

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 3:22 AM Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > Debian is missing KDE's Amarok music manager. Amarok was removed as it required the obsolete Qt 4 library. Now that upstream has finally ported it to Qt5, it could be reintroduced to Debian. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/amarok http

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-12 Thread Pirate Praveen
2021, ഓഗസ്റ്റ് 12 8:51:55 AM IST, Timothy M Butterworth ൽ എഴുതി >I am fine with Debian's release cycle but It would be nice to see more >packages. For example Debian is missing KDE's Amarok music manager. I >am happy to see Debian 11 gained KDE Elisa music manager. I am sad to >see that Virtual

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-12 Thread Romain Porte
Hi, 11/08/2021 16:08, Vincent Bernat : > I think we have more systemic issues. I am quite impressed how Nix/NixOS > is able to pull so many packages and modules with so few people. But > they use only one workflow, one way to package, one init system, etc. > Looking at Arch, one workflow, one way

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-12 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 02:06:37PM +0200, Romain Porte wrote: > > Looking at Arch, one workflow, one way to package, one init system, etc. > > Looking at Fedora, one workflow, one way to package, one init system. > > I think this is a major point. I am a new Debian contributor after a > good

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-12 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Andreas Tille (2021-08-12 23:06:47) > On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 02:06:37PM +0200, Romain Porte wrote: > > Maintainers like their freedoms, but enforcing some tools at some > > point could make it easier for everyone to contribute and not > > relearn the packaging process for every package,

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-13 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 04:42:51AM +, Paul Wise wrote: > On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 3:22 AM Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > > > Debian is missing KDE's Amarok music manager. > > Amarok was removed as it required the obsolete Qt 4 library. Now that > upstream has finally ported it to Qt5, it could

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-14 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff
Jonathan Dowland schrieb: >> Amarok was removed as it required the obsolete Qt 4 library. Now that >> upstream has finally ported it to Qt5, it could be reintroduced to >> Debian. > > That's an interesting way of presenting the situation. Amarok was > removed because we aggressively removed Qt4, d

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 07:48:06AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Backports is not analogous to the concepts Timothy was presenting. It's > *one* repository, not a system where people (not just Debian maintainers) > can create repos. extrepo tries to help there, and now that bullseye is released

git workflows (was: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :()

2021-08-12 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Romain, others, On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 02:06PM +02, Romain Porte wrote: > I think this is a major point. I am a new Debian contributor after a > good time of ArchLinux PKGBUILD writing. I find Debian technically > superior on the packaging side, and would not trade it for PKGBUILD. But > the

Re: git workflows (was: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :()

2021-08-13 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 03:31:02PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > For example, there are those of us who think that the downsides of the > combination of 3.0 (quilt) and patches stored unapplied in git are > significant, and so we have made attempts to provide alternatives, such > as git-debrebase.

Re: git workflows (was: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :()

2021-08-14 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Sat 14 Aug 2021 at 07:55AM +01, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 03:31:02PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: >> For example, there are those of us who think that the downsides of the >> combination of 3.0 (quilt) and patches stored unapplied in git are >> significant, and so