Re: Team have veto rights, because they can just refuse the work anyway?

2005-08-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> [Thomas Bushnell] >>> Quite the contrary; it seems to me that this is to work *passively* >>> against something. >> >> Not doing the work is working passively against it, while prohibiting >> oth

Re: Team have veto rights, because they can just refuse the work anyway?

2005-08-23 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Ter, 2005-08-23 às 09:54 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG escreveu: > Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > [Thomas Bushnell] > >> Quite the contrary; it seems to me that this is to work *passively* > >> against something. > > > > Not doing the work is working passively against it, wh

Re: Team have veto rights, because they can just refuse the work anyway? (Was: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal)

2005-08-23 Thread Emanuele Rocca
Hello David, * David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [2005-08-21 19:44 -0400]: > On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 11:29:51PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > [Wouter Verhelst] > > >b) the three beforementioned teams could already refuse to > > >support a port anyhow, simply by not doing the w

Re: Team have veto rights, because they can just refuse the work anyway?

2005-08-23 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [Thomas Bushnell] >> Quite the contrary; it seems to me that this is to work *passively* >> against something. > > Not doing the work is working passively against it, while prohibiting > others from doing the work is working actively against it. I

Re: Team have veto rights, because they can just refuse the work anyway?

2005-08-23 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Thomas Bushnell] > Quite the contrary; it seems to me that this is to work *passively* > against something. Not doing the work is working passively against it, while prohibiting others from doing the work is working actively against it. If you do both, you are working actively against it. --

Re: Team have veto rights, because they can just refuse the work anyway?

2005-08-23 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Gustavo Noronha Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The constitution also states that no developer can work actively against > the implementation of such a decision made by the project[0]. Not doing > the work and not letting anyone else do it would constitute 'working > actively againt'. Quite t

Re: Team have veto rights, because they can just refuse the work anyway?

2005-08-23 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Seg, 2005-08-22 às 10:07 -0500, Manoj Srivastava escreveu: > On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:29:51 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: > The constitution states that no developer can have "democratic > control" imposed on them at all. Indeed, I reject any such control > ove

Re: Team have veto rights, because they can just refuse the work anyway?

2005-08-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:29:51 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > [Wouter Verhelst] >> b) the three beforementioned teams could already refuse to >> support a port anyhow, simply by not doing the work. > This is not really a valid argument. If a team in debian refuses to > ac

Re: Team have veto rights, because they can just refuse the work anyway? (Was: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal)

2005-08-21 Thread David Nusinow
On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 11:29:51PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Wouter Verhelst] > >b) the three beforementioned teams could already refuse to > >support a port anyhow, simply by not doing the work. > > This is not really a valid argument. If a team in debian refuses to > accept d

Re: Team have veto rights, because they can just refuse the work anyway? (Was: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal)

2005-08-21 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 11:29:51PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Wouter Verhelst] > >b) the three beforementioned teams could already refuse to > >support a port anyhow, simply by not doing the work. > This is not really a valid argument. If a team in debian refuses to > accept de

Team have veto rights, because they can just refuse the work anyway? (Was: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal)

2005-08-21 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Wouter Verhelst] >b) the three beforementioned teams could already refuse to >support a port anyhow, simply by not doing the work. This is not really a valid argument. If a team in debian refuses to accept decisions made by a majority of debian developers, or rejects democratic control,