Re: The 98% and N<=2 criteria (was: Vancouver meeting - clarifications)

2005-04-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Apr 03, 2005 at 10:37:25PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote: > On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 03:04:08PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 09:52:18AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > > As you say, _most_ of the issues are triggered by one of those three > > > chips, not all. And, b

Re: The 98% and N<=2 criteria (was: Vancouver meeting - clarifications)

2005-04-03 Thread Andrew Pollock
On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 03:04:08PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 09:52:18AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > As you say, _most_ of the issues are triggered by one of those three > > chips, not all. And, by not making a hard requirement to compile the > > packages which will n

Re: The 98% and N<=2 criteria (was: Vancouver meeting - clarifications)

2005-03-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 02:15:15PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: > > I strongly disagree with this. There is a need for a set of base > > packages to work, but it's entirely reasonable to have a release for eg > > m68k without KDE or other large package sets. It's not as if debian/m68k > > would be u

Re: The 98% and N<=2 criteria (was: Vancouver meeting - clarifications)

2005-03-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 09:52:18AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Steve Langasek dijo [Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 11:32:08PM -0800]: > > > There are packages we recognize will be of little use in certain > > > architectures - say, KDE on m68k, qemu on a !i386, etc. They should be > > > built anyway on all a

Re: The 98% and N<=2 criteria (was: Vancouver meeting - clarifications)

2005-03-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 06:15:11PM +0100, Peter 'p2' De Schrijver wrote: > > > A QA measure for kernel/toolchain issues, sure. Many compiler bugs are > > identified by compiling 10G worth of software for an architecture; > > perhaps we should have a better way of tracking these, but it surely is >

Re: The 98% and N<=2 criteria (was: Vancouver meeting - clarifications)

2005-03-21 Thread Peter 'p2' De Schrijver
> A QA measure for kernel/toolchain issues, sure. Many compiler bugs are > identified by compiling 10G worth of software for an architecture; > perhaps we should have a better way of tracking these, but it surely is > a class of problems that /cannot/ be identified by just building on the > big N

Re: The 98% and N<=2 criteria (was: Vancouver meeting - clarifications)

2005-03-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 09:52:18AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > As you say, _most_ of the issues are triggered by one of those three > chips, not all. And, by not making a hard requirement to compile the > packages which will not be used, you are not holding the project back > waiting for m68k's KDE

Re: The 98% and N<=2 criteria (was: Vancouver meeting - clarifications)

2005-03-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 11:32:08PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > As pointed out in a recent thread, most of the core hardware portability > issues are picked up just by building on "the big three" -- i386, powerpc, > amd64. If we know the software isn't going to be used, is it actually > useful t

Re: The 98% and N<=2 criteria (was: Vancouver meeting - clarifications)

2005-03-20 Thread Andreas Barth
* Gunnar Wolf ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050319 05:35]: > "Architecture: any" means "build anywhere". We could introduce a > second header, say, Not-deploy-for: or Not-required-for:. This would > mean that KDE _would_ be built for m68k if the buildds are not too > busy doing other stuff, and probably wou

Re: The 98% and N<=2 criteria (was: Vancouver meeting - clarifications)

2005-03-19 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Steve Langasek dijo [Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 11:32:08PM -0800]: > > There are packages we recognize will be of little use in certain > > architectures - say, KDE on m68k, qemu on a !i386, etc. They should be > > built anyway on all architectures where expected to run be buildable, > > anyway, as a QA

Re: The 98% and N<=2 criteria (was: Vancouver meeting - clarifications)

2005-03-19 Thread David Weinehall
On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 11:32:08PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: [snip] > As pointed out in a recent thread, most of the core hardware portability > issues are picked up just by building on "the big three" -- i386, powerpc, > amd64. If we know the software isn't going to be used, is it actually > u

Re: The 98% and N<=2 criteria (was: Vancouver meeting - clarifications)

2005-03-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 09:35:04PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Frank Küster dijo [Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 02:15:15PM +0100]: > > This whole argument is bogus. Up to before Vancouver, we always said: > > "A package should be Architecture: any if it can in principle be > > compiled on every arch; the f

Re: The 98% and N<=2 criteria (was: Vancouver meeting - clarifications)

2005-03-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Frank Küster dijo [Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 02:15:15PM +0100]: > This whole argument is bogus. Up to before Vancouver, we always said: > "A package should be Architecture: any if it can in principle be > compiled on every arch; the fact that it might not be useful there does > not justify excluding it

The 98% and N<=2 criteria (was: Vancouver meeting - clarifications)

2005-03-15 Thread Frank Küster
Peter 'p2' De Schrijver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: [quoting Andreas Barth] >> | - the release architecture must have successfully compiled 98% of the >> | archive's source (excluding architecture-specific packages) >> well, that's just an "the architecture is basically working", so that we >>