Bug#679145: ia32-libs-gtk: Please remove at-spi [Was: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs]

2012-06-26 Thread Samuel Thibault
Package: ia32-libs-gtk Version: 20120102 Severity: normal Goswin von Brederlow, le Fri 22 Jun 2012 11:34:12 +0200, a écrit : And then there is also ia32-libs-gtk [2], which is not yet installable as multiarch: #677762 ia32-libs-gtk: Multiarch issues ---

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 03:57:29PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Release notes are meant to be read once, not every time you upgrade a system. Having a debconf note once might be appropriate. The second time, you'll go right, I've seen that before.

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-24 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 06/24/2012 06:01 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:32:15PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture i386 apt-get update Step 3:

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl writes: On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 01:07:56PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: It has to be held back. But apt-get/aptitude might select a solution where they do get removed rather then hold back many other packages. I'm hoping it will be held back

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:32:15PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture i386 apt-get update Step 3:

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 03:57:29PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Release notes are meant to be read once, not every time you upgrade a system. Having a debconf note once might be appropriate. The second time, you'll go right, I've seen that before. The third time you go sigh, yes, I know,

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-23 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 06/23/2012 02:18 AM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Problem is that frontends will complain about ia32-libs being not upgradable and might suggest removing it instead of keeping it back way before that. At the time base-file is upgraded ia32-libs and all other 32bit stuff might already have

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-23 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 06/23/2012 02:48 AM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: The helpfull error messages and holding back packages would have to be ported to stable apt/aptitude to be any use for upgrades. And only people updating to the latest stable point release would benefit from it. Unfortunately, we never

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes: On 06/23/2012 02:48 AM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: The helpfull error messages and holding back packages would have to be ported to stable apt/aptitude to be any use for upgrades. And only people updating to the latest stable point release would benefit

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-23 Thread Mehdi Dogguy
On 06/23/2012 08:23 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: Unfortunately, we never require that our users upgrade to the latest point release before upgrading to stable+1. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#system-status -- Mehdi Dogguy مهدي الدڤي

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-23 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sat, June 23, 2012 08:25, Russ Allbery wrote: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes: On 06/23/2012 02:48 AM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: The helpfull error messages and holding back packages would have to be ported to stable apt/aptitude to be any use for upgrades. And only people

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes: On 06/23/2012 02:18 AM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Problem is that frontends will complain about ia32-libs being not upgradable and might suggest removing it instead of keeping it back way before that. At the time base-file is upgraded ia32-libs and all

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-23 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 06/23/2012 03:10 PM, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: On 06/23/2012 08:23 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: Unfortunately, we never require that our users upgrade to the latest point release before upgrading to stable+1.

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-23 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 23, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: We've frequently required users to upgrade specific packages to newer versions prior to the general dist-upgrade to resolve various issues, such as for the udev transition. FWIW, what we required was to upgrade the kernel and udev at the same

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-23 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 01:07:56PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: It has to be held back. But apt-get/aptitude might select a solution where they do get removed rather then hold back many other packages. I'm hoping it will be held back automatically without user intervention but that might

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:32:15PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture i386 apt-get update Step 3: dist-upgrade (ia32-libs, wine, ... is now

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-23 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 08:18:03PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: May I suggest that upon upgrade, we have a debconf message telling about it? We could add this in base-files or any essential package, probably one with some debconf messages already in would be a better pick.

The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hi, two weeks ago we hit a huge milestone with multiarch and wine:i386 became installable on amd64. Last week we hit another milestone so that ia32-libs became mostly installable (it might still want to remove some amd64 packages in the process depending on what you have installed). As a

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 22, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote: Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture i386 apt-get update Step 3: dist-upgrade (ia32-libs, wine, ... is now installable) Maybe this is easier? 1: upgrade dpkg and apt 2: dpkg

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture i386 apt-get update Step 3: dist-upgrade (ia32-libs, wine, ... is now installable) May I suggest that upon upgrade, we have a debconf

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Roger Leigh
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:32:15PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture i386 apt-get update Step 3: dist-upgrade (ia32-libs, wine, ... is now

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On 22.06.2012 15:31, Roger Leigh wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:32:15PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture i386 apt-get update Step 3:

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Luk Claes
On 06/22/2012 04:31 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:32:15PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture i386 apt-get update Step 3:

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 06/22/2012 07:37 PM, Luk Claes wrote: On 06/22/2012 04:31 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:32:15PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Doesn't the Ubuntu updater tool do something like this already when it does a full upgrade between releases? There were quite some bugs with

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes: On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture i386 apt-get update Step 3: dist-upgrade (ia32-libs, wine, ... is now installable) May I suggest

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: On Jun 22, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote: Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture i386 apt-get update Step 3: dist-upgrade (ia32-libs, wine, ... is now installable) Maybe this is

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Luk Claes l...@debian.org writes: On 06/22/2012 04:31 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:32:15PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On ven., 2012-06-22 at 11:34 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: #677787 gtk2-engines-xfce: Please add multiarch support Note that this one (as investigated in the bug report by Goswin and me) is a bit spurious. For multi-arch Gtk+ apps, a multi-arch engine matching the theme used by the end user

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam D. Barratt a...@adam-barratt.org.uk writes: On 22.06.2012 15:31, Roger Leigh wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:32:15PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back Step 2: dpkg

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2012-06-22 at 19:37 +0200, Luk Claes wrote: On 06/22/2012 04:31 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:32:15PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back Step 2: dpkg