Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-23 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Raphael Hertzog (17/07/2009): > > At least dpkg-dev has one and it's run at build-time. > > I thought the goal of dpkg-dev was to actually build other packages. I > don't know how dpkg-dev developers see this, but maybe having a few > packages rebuilt

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-22 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Raphael Hertzog (17/07/2009): > At least dpkg-dev has one and it's run at build-time. I thought the goal of dpkg-dev was to actually build other packages. I don't know how dpkg-dev developers see this, but maybe having a few packages rebuilt using the new dpkg-dev package would help spotting brea

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 07:38:54AM +, Philipp Kern wrote: > On 2009-07-21, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > The long wait is the signing, not the dinstall run. Even without > > accepted dinstall runs 4 times a day now. > > > > But I have to say I'm totaly against unsigned uploads. The buildds a

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-21 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-07-21, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Philipp Kern writes: > >> On 2009-07-20, Stéphane Glondu wrote: >>> For example, each OCaml transition involve rebuilding a lot of packages >>> (about 139), with 6 levels of dependencies. So if some build takes 2 >>> days or more (for the current tra

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Philipp Kern writes: > On 2009-07-20, Stéphane Glondu wrote: >> For example, each OCaml transition involve rebuilding a lot of packages >> (about 139), with 6 levels of dependencies. So if some build takes 2 >> days or more (for the current transition, on some builds, it was even >> more than a

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-20 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-07-20, Stéphane Glondu wrote: > For example, each OCaml transition involve rebuilding a lot of packages > (about 139), with 6 levels of dependencies. So if some build takes 2 > days or more (for the current transition, on some builds, it was even > more than a week) to be uploaded, it mean

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Glondu
Wouter Verhelst a écrit : >>> Ah, so this is about not interfering with testing migration, I guess? >> It's not only testing migration. As an example: If you have a large chain >> of binNMUs which all need some dep-wait on a package upper in the chain >> you get the effect that the whole thing tak

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 03:45:13PM +, Philipp Kern wrote: > On 2009-07-18, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > Ah, so this is about not interfering with testing migration, I guess? > > It's not only testing migration. As an example: If you have a large chain > of binNMUs which all need some dep-wait

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-18 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-07-18, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Ah, so this is about not interfering with testing migration, I guess? It's not only testing migration. As an example: If you have a large chain of binNMUs which all need some dep-wait on a package upper in the chain you get the effect that the whole thing

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 09:05:29PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:10:56PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > >>Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >>>Right. However, having sbuild run lintian would allow a buildd > >>>maintainer to assess issues with packages by looking

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Luk Claes
Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:10:56PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: Right. However, having sbuild run lintian would allow a buildd maintainer to assess issues with packages by looking at *warnings*, rather than 'just' errors. This isn't something an automate

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Luk Claes writes: > AFAIK the FTP Team is working on a system to prevent uploads which have > lintian errors. The whole category of lintian errors has already been > assessed and possible overrides are planned to arrive in the NEW queue > at least once... Please do note that I'm talking about err

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:10:56PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >Right. However, having sbuild run lintian would allow a buildd > >maintainer to assess issues with packages by looking at *warnings*, > >rather than 'just' errors. This isn't something an automated system can > >

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Steffen Moeller (17/07/2009): > > Wouter's comment aside, checks at buildd level would be too late. > > Yes, sure. It'd rather be time for critical packages (say: dpkg-dev, > debhelper, cdbs) to have proper non-regression testsuites. At least dpkg-de

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Steffen Moeller (17/07/2009): > Wouter's comment aside, checks at buildd level would be too late. Yes, sure. It'd rather be time for critical packages (say: dpkg-dev, debhelper, cdbs) to have proper non-regression testsuites. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Luk Claes
Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:44:54AM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:19:50AM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote: Not? Was the originally uploaded package correct? Amazing. Hm. Then, it should be lintian errors that denote a build as a fa

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-07-17, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> AFAIK the FTP Team is working on a system to prevent uploads which >> have lintian errors. The whole category of lintian errors has >> already been assessed and possible overrides are planned to arrive >> in the NEW queue at least once... Please do note tha

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:44:54AM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:19:50AM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote: > >>Not? Was the originally uploaded package correct? Amazing. Hm. Then, > >>it should be lintian errors that denote a build as a failure, indeed,

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Luk Claes
Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:19:50AM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote: Not? Was the originally uploaded package correct? Amazing. Hm. Then, it should be lintian errors that denote a build as a failure, indeed, and these should somehow be detected by the mechanism that uploads th

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:19:50AM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote: > Not? Was the originally uploaded package correct? Amazing. Hm. Then, > it should be lintian errors that denote a build as a failure, indeed, > and these should somehow be detected by the mechanism that uploads the > packages ... not

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Steffen Moeller
Mike Hommey wrote: > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:57:25AM +0200, Steffen Moeller > wrote: >> Wouter Verhelst wrote: >>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:57:25PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Michael Biebl] > Would it make sense to avoid the upload of "obviously" broken > packages from build

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Mike Hommey
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:57:25AM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:57:25PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: > >> [Michael Biebl] > >>> Would it make sense to avoid the upload of "obviously" broken > >>> packages from buildds in the future. E.g.

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Steffen Moeller
Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:57:25PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: >> [Michael Biebl] >>> Would it make sense to avoid the upload of "obviously" broken >>> packages from buildds in the future. E.g. if lintian detects an >>> error it would need some special inspection from th

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:57:25PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: > > [Michael Biebl] > > Would it make sense to avoid the upload of "obviously" broken > > packages from buildds in the future. E.g. if lintian detects an > > error it would need some special inspection from the buildd uploader. > >

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-16 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Michael Biebl] > Would it make sense to avoid the upload of "obviously" broken > packages from buildds in the future. E.g. if lintian detects an > error it would need some special inspection from the buildd uploader. Don't all buildd binary packages already need "special inspection" from a buil

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-16 Thread Michael Biebl
Roger Leigh schrieb: > Some people may have recently been bitten by #537125. > This mail isn't about that bug in particular, though it did > certainly expose the fragility of systems depending upon dbus. Blaming this on D-Bus is not fair. It could have happened to any other package. Heaven forbid