Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-23 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org (17/07/2009): At least dpkg-dev has one and it's run at build-time. I thought the goal of dpkg-dev was to actually build other packages. I don't know how dpkg-dev developers see this, but maybe having a few

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-22 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org (17/07/2009): At least dpkg-dev has one and it's run at build-time. I thought the goal of dpkg-dev was to actually build other packages. I don't know how dpkg-dev developers see this, but maybe having a few packages rebuilt using the new dpkg-dev package would

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-21 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-07-21, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote: Philipp Kern tr...@philkern.de writes: On 2009-07-20, Stéphane Glondu st...@glondu.net wrote: For example, each OCaml transition involve rebuilding a lot of packages (about 139), with 6 levels of dependencies. So if some build

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 07:38:54AM +, Philipp Kern wrote: On 2009-07-21, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote: The long wait is the signing, not the dinstall run. Even without accepted dinstall runs 4 times a day now. But I have to say I'm totaly against unsigned uploads. The

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Glondu
Wouter Verhelst a écrit : Ah, so this is about not interfering with testing migration, I guess? It's not only testing migration. As an example: If you have a large chain of binNMUs which all need some dep-wait on a package upper in the chain you get the effect that the whole thing takes

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-20 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-07-20, Stéphane Glondu st...@glondu.net wrote: For example, each OCaml transition involve rebuilding a lot of packages (about 139), with 6 levels of dependencies. So if some build takes 2 days or more (for the current transition, on some builds, it was even more than a week) to be

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Philipp Kern tr...@philkern.de writes: On 2009-07-20, Stéphane Glondu st...@glondu.net wrote: For example, each OCaml transition involve rebuilding a lot of packages (about 139), with 6 levels of dependencies. So if some build takes 2 days or more (for the current transition, on some builds,

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 03:45:13PM +, Philipp Kern wrote: On 2009-07-18, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: Ah, so this is about not interfering with testing migration, I guess? It's not only testing migration. As an example: If you have a large chain of binNMUs which all need

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-18 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-07-18, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: Ah, so this is about not interfering with testing migration, I guess? It's not only testing migration. As an example: If you have a large chain of binNMUs which all need some dep-wait on a package upper in the chain you get the effect that

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:57:25PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Michael Biebl] Would it make sense to avoid the upload of obviously broken packages from buildds in the future. E.g. if lintian detects an error it would need some special inspection from the buildd uploader. Don't all

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Steffen Moeller
Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:57:25PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Michael Biebl] Would it make sense to avoid the upload of obviously broken packages from buildds in the future. E.g. if lintian detects an error it would need some special inspection from the buildd

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Mike Hommey
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:57:25AM +0200, Steffen Moeller steffen_moel...@gmx.de wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:57:25PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Michael Biebl] Would it make sense to avoid the upload of obviously broken packages from buildds in the future.

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Steffen Moeller
Mike Hommey wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:57:25AM +0200, Steffen Moeller steffen_moel...@gmx.de wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:57:25PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Michael Biebl] Would it make sense to avoid the upload of obviously broken packages from

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:19:50AM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote: Not? Was the originally uploaded package correct? Amazing. Hm. Then, it should be lintian errors that denote a build as a failure, indeed, and these should somehow be detected by the mechanism that uploads the packages ... not by

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Luk Claes
Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:19:50AM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote: Not? Was the originally uploaded package correct? Amazing. Hm. Then, it should be lintian errors that denote a build as a failure, indeed, and these should somehow be detected by the mechanism that uploads

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:44:54AM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:19:50AM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote: Not? Was the originally uploaded package correct? Amazing. Hm. Then, it should be lintian errors that denote a build as a failure, indeed, and

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-07-17, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: AFAIK the FTP Team is working on a system to prevent uploads which have lintian errors. The whole category of lintian errors has already been assessed and possible overrides are planned to arrive in the NEW queue at least once... Please

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Luk Claes
Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:44:54AM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:19:50AM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote: Not? Was the originally uploaded package correct? Amazing. Hm. Then, it should be lintian errors that denote a build as a

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Steffen Moeller steffen_moel...@gmx.de (17/07/2009): Wouter's comment aside, checks at buildd level would be too late. Yes, sure. It'd rather be time for critical packages (say: dpkg-dev, debhelper, cdbs) to have proper non-regression testsuites. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Steffen Moeller steffen_moel...@gmx.de (17/07/2009): Wouter's comment aside, checks at buildd level would be too late. Yes, sure. It'd rather be time for critical packages (say: dpkg-dev, debhelper, cdbs) to have proper non-regression testsuites.

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:10:56PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: Right. However, having sbuild run lintian would allow a buildd maintainer to assess issues with packages by looking at *warnings*, rather than 'just' errors. This isn't something an automated system can do.

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Luk Claes l...@debian.org writes: AFAIK the FTP Team is working on a system to prevent uploads which have lintian errors. The whole category of lintian errors has already been assessed and possible overrides are planned to arrive in the NEW queue at least once... Please do note that I'm

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Luk Claes
Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:10:56PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: Right. However, having sbuild run lintian would allow a buildd maintainer to assess issues with packages by looking at *warnings*, rather than 'just' errors. This isn't something an

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 09:05:29PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:10:56PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: Right. However, having sbuild run lintian would allow a buildd maintainer to assess issues with packages by looking at

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-16 Thread Michael Biebl
Roger Leigh schrieb: Some people may have recently been bitten by #537125. This mail isn't about that bug in particular, though it did certainly expose the fragility of systems depending upon dbus. Blaming this on D-Bus is not fair. It could have happened to any other package. Heaven forbid

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-16 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Michael Biebl] Would it make sense to avoid the upload of obviously broken packages from buildds in the future. E.g. if lintian detects an error it would need some special inspection from the buildd uploader. Don't all buildd binary packages already need special inspection from a buildd