Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2012-05-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aron Xu happyaron...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 22:21, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote: Aron Xu happyaron...@gmail.com writes: But what if I endianness does matters for those gettext .mo files? Installing them as libfoo-translations-be and libfoo-translations-le

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2012-04-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aron Xu happyaron...@gmail.com writes: But what if I endianness does matters for those gettext .mo files? Installing them as libfoo-translations-be and libfoo-translations-le will need some change in gettext support of those applications/libraries, that is finding mo files in alternative

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2012-04-30 Thread Simon McVittie
On 30/04/12 15:21, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: With libfoo being in /usr/lib/M-A tuple/ any endian dependent data should be in /usr/lib/package/M-A tuple/ or /usr/lib/M-A tuple/M-A tuple/ (sorry, did we pick one of them as standard yet?), which is usualy a configure option. I think you mean

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2012-04-30 Thread Aron Xu
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 22:21, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote: Aron Xu happyaron...@gmail.com writes: But what if I endianness does matters for those gettext .mo files? Installing them as libfoo-translations-be and libfoo-translations-le will need some change in gettext support

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2012-04-27 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aron Xu happyaron...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 23:21, Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org wrote: Hi, On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 03:26:21PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 20:03:27 +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: If a package is marked as Multi-Arch: same, files with the

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2012-04-27 Thread Aron Xu
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 16:46, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote: Aron Xu happyaron...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 23:21, Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org wrote: Hi, On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 03:26:21PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 20:03:27 +0100,

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2012-04-26 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 03:26:21PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 20:03:27 +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: If a package is marked as Multi-Arch: same, files with the same name have to be (byte-to-byte) identical across all architectures. Unfortunately, not all packages

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2012-04-26 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, Just removing Multi-Arch causes this lintian warning ... W: ibus source: dependency-is-not-multi-archified libibus-1.0-dev depends on gir1.2-ibus-1.0 (multi-arch: no) N: N:The package is Multi-Arch same, but it depends on a package that is N:neither Multi-Arch same nor foreign. N:

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2012-04-26 Thread Aron Xu
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 23:21, Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org wrote: Hi, On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 03:26:21PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 20:03:27 +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: If a package is marked as Multi-Arch: same, files with the same name have to be (byte-to-byte)

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2012-04-26 Thread Julien Cristau
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 00:21:20 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: I also see for libopencc1 (not mine but I am watching it...) [libopencc1 0.3.0-2] usr/share/locale/zh_CN/LC_MESSAGES/opencc.mo 2c2024df5378074f4727948eb7133516 mips s390 sparc s390x powerpc 6a7df4d7f1f5383bd7461de8a0bb4957

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2012-04-26 Thread Julien Cristau
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 00:30:01 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: Hi, Just removing Multi-Arch causes this lintian warning ... W: ibus source: dependency-is-not-multi-archified libibus-1.0-dev depends on gir1.2-ibus-1.0 (multi-arch: no) N: N:The package is Multi-Arch same, but it depends

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2012-04-22 Thread Julien Cristau
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 20:03:27 +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: If a package is marked as Multi-Arch: same, files with the same name have to be (byte-to-byte) identical across all architectures. Unfortunately, not all packages obey this requirement. I set up a page to track violators:

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-12-09 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org, 2011-11-17, 20:03: The most common reasons for cross-architecture differences appear to be (in random order): [...] - Using gzip without the -n option. This is now detected by lintian = 2.5.4. [...] - Including /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/* stuff in -dbg package.

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:55:53AM +, Neil Williams wrote: As long as the behaviour is always *consistent* across native builds and cross-builds, I would be happy with having all .mo files with the same endianness. By preference, little endian. I agree; little-endian is both the most

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-20 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Jakub Wilk] If a package is marked as Multi-Arch: same, files with the same name have to be (byte-to-byte) identical across all architectures. Unfortunately, not all packages obey this requirement. [libsvn-java 1.6.17dfsg-2+b1] usr/share/java/svn-javahl.jar This file is in a package

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-20 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sb, 19 nov 11, 10:32:53, John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell wrote: can't i delete .mo locally if i'm bitwise desperate for disk space? $ apt-cache show localepurge Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers:

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org writes: [Jakub Wilk] If a package is marked as Multi-Arch: same, files with the same name have to be (byte-to-byte) identical across all architectures. Unfortunately, not all packages obey this requirement. [libsvn-java 1.6.17dfsg-2+b1]

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-20 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Goswin von Brederlow] Ugly, but if it works ... You only have those 2 choices for Multi-Arch: same: Split the package or make the files equal. Well, the third choice is to assume nobody _really_ cares about multiarch for JNI libraries, and just drop the Multi-Arch: header. Since you are

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-20 Thread Peter De Wachter
Op Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:30:45 -0600 schreef Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org: I tried repacking, but can't get zip to produce consistent output, even on a single platform. Looks like there's one byte per stored directory, and two bytes per stored file, that change on each 'zip' invocation. I'm

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-20 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org, 2011-11-20, 02:34: (cd TMP; find | sort | xargs zip -9 ../TMP.zip {} +) FYI, zip has -@ option, that makes it read filenames from standard input. This should be more robust that using xargs. -- Jakub Wilk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:30:45PM -0600, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Goswin von Brederlow] Ugly, but if it works ... You only have those 2 choices for Multi-Arch: same: Split the package or make the files equal. Well, the third choice is to assume nobody _really_ cares about multiarch for JNI

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-20 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Sonntag, 20. November 2011, 19:30:45 schrieb Peter Samuelson: [Goswin von Brederlow] Ugly, but if it works ... You only have those 2 choices for Multi-Arch: same: Split the package or make the files equal. Well, the third choice is to assume nobody _really_ cares about multiarch for

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 12:30 -0600, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Goswin von Brederlow] Ugly, but if it works ... You only have those 2 choices for Multi-Arch: same: Split the package or make the files equal. Well, the third choice is to assume nobody _really_ cares about multiarch for JNI

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-19 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:39:20 -0600 Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org wrote: [Jakub Wilk] The most common reasons for cross-architecture differences appear to be (in random order): - Compiling GNU message catalogs with gettext, which uses native endianness (see bug #468209). (Hmm, I did

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi, Le jeudi 17 novembre 2011 à 20:03 +0100, Jakub Wilk a écrit : http://people.debian.org/~jwilk/multi-arch/same-md5sums.txt http://people.debian.org/~jwilk/multi-arch/same-md5sums.ddlist (If there is no MD5 sum information next to a file name, it means that the sum for each architecture

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-19 Thread John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell
hi. i'm not an admin but. are you sure compression routines guarantee the same compression for the same file? and when given differing directory names? I have a hard time wrapping my head around your statement: gzip is erroneous. Have fun, John Hendrickson look at my quick test ... # cd

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-19 Thread John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell
not that i'm multi-lingual (i use google to translate!) don't we get all .mo avail. in packages already? (i hope) # locate *.mo | wc 13341 13341 648305 ... and if build/tar admins say choose another method why not try asking them what? can't i delete .mo locally if i'm bitwise

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Or in legacy; I've read about wishes of their own patent problems, capice? But ads a login can get out and having to be opensuse deeply compatible yet high unix efficient, Switching to all the road? Grub and having to maintain and inodes would be my slice single project need change if MIS USED

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-19 Thread John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell
From: john hendrickson Josselin your response is obstructive rather than productive. If you have a vested interest in obstructed Debian you must make that known in the outset, capice? Josselin Mouette wrote: Or in legacy; I've read about wishes of their own patent problems, capice? But ads

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-18 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Jakub Wilk] The most common reasons for cross-architecture differences appear to be (in random order): - Compiling GNU message catalogs with gettext, which uses native endianness (see bug #468209). Having read that bug log, it's not clear to me whether there's a consensus about what to do

Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-17 Thread Jakub Wilk
If a package is marked as Multi-Arch: same, files with the same name have to be (byte-to-byte) identical across all architectures. Unfortunately, not all packages obey this requirement. I set up a page to track violators: http://people.debian.org/~jwilk/multi-arch/same-md5sums.txt