On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 08:01:26AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 12:20:06PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
I don't know where the English l10n team got the idea from that there
is something wrong with a computer speaking to the user in the first
person. But in my opinion
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:57:44AM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
Wouter Verhelst writes (Re: Use of the first person in messages from the
computer):
A computer cannot refer to itself, because it does not have a self.
I'm sorry, but that is completely wrong.
README
drink me
someone me
On Vi, 10 feb 12, 14:20:58, Miles Bader wrote:
Hmmm, while it may not be the best thing to have a non-native speaker
in charge of wording, I think it actually _is_ useful to have their
input. Sometimes language that seems pretty obvious to a native
speaker isn't clear at all to many
Wouter Verhelst writes (Re: Use of the first person in messages from the
computer):
A computer cannot refer to itself, because it does not have a self.
I'm sorry, but that is completely wrong.
README
drink me
someone me facit
I'm sure others can come up with many other examples, ancient
Ian Jackson wrote:
Wouter Verhelst writes (Re: Use of the first person in messages from the
computer):
A computer cannot refer to itself, because it does not have a self.
I'm sorry, but that is completely wrong.
README
drink me
someone me facit
README is itself a reference to DRINK
On Donnerstag, 9. Februar 2012, Russell Coker wrote:
In the US corporations are people, so surely computers are people too.
because clearly, the US is always right.
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I agree with the debian-l10n-english position that first person is
inappropriate in debconf questions; we should not personify computers.
However:
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 02:11:38PM +, MJ Ray wrote:
My reviewer also seems to think there is (sometimes?) something wrong
with the use of the
Quoting Steve Langasek (vor...@debian.org):
I categorically reject the notion that removing second-person usage from our
debconf questions is at all beneficial. And when you fix non-problems in
your language, you almost invariably make things worse by reducing clarity
or increasing
I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine.
The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something
wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first person. For
example:
- If you approve, I will edit /etc/X11/app-default/XTerm for you, and
- save
On 2012-02-09 13:20, Ian Jackson wrote:
I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine.
The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something
wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first person. For
example:
[...]
I suspect devref 6.5.2.5
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 01:40:42PM +0100, Niels Thykier wrote:
On 2012-02-09 13:20, Ian Jackson wrote:
I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine.
The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something
wrong with the computer speaking to the user in
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 12:20:06PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine.
Well, by Christian Perrier; nobody else has had a chance to reply yet.
If people with opinions on this topic want to join the d-l-e team,
which mostly seems to consist
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 01:29:08PM +, Roger Leigh wrote:
The computer is not a person.
There there, havelock.liw.fi, don't listen to the *mean* man who
says you're not a person. You are too a person! Tell you what,
it's a magical Internet, ol' buddy... Let's go exploring!
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Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine.
The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something
wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first person.
I'm not active within the l10n-english
Ian Jackson wrote:
I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine.
The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something
wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first person. For
example:
- If you approve, I will edit
On Fri, 10 Feb 2012, Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi wrote:
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 01:29:08PM +, Roger Leigh wrote:
The computer is not a person.
There there, havelock.liw.fi, don't listen to the *mean* man who
says you're not a person. You are too a person! Tell you what,
it's a magical
Josh Triplett wrote:
In general I don't see anything wrong with you in most circumstances,
though I think phrases like this system seem clearer and less
ambiguous than your system.
I agree. This is often seen in package descriptions, for example
also sprach Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org [2012.02.09.1554 +0100]:
Choosing this option will modify /etc/X11/app-default/XTerm, preserving
the old file as XTerm.backup.not-trad.
Because choosing this option does not modify anything but the
debconf cache, and only the postinst script
martin f krafft dijo [Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 05:07:39PM +0100]:
Because choosing this option does not modify anything but the
debconf cache, and only the postinst script modifies… no wait,
choosing this option only changes the in-memory state of some UI
widget and hitting enter then informs
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
Finally, the reviewer revealed in the review that they're not a native
speaker of English. Is it normal for l10n reviews to be conducted by
non-native speakers of the target language ? Are we really so short
of native English speaking l10n
Quoting Niels Thykier (ni...@thykier.net):
On 2012-02-09 13:20, Ian Jackson wrote:
I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine.
The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something
wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first person.
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 12:20:06PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine.
The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something
wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first person. For
example:
- If you
Quoting Ian Jackson (ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk):
Finally, the reviewer revealed in the review that they're not a native
speaker of English. Is it normal for l10n reviews to be conducted by
non-native speakers of the target language ? Are we really so short
of native English speaking
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