Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-03 Thread Cameron Patrick
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:24:09AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: | This is the Proprietary software model, with artificial, government | imposed (via copyright laws) monopolies, resulting in customer lock-in | and price maximization. | | I dont see a monopol, at least no government imposed.

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-03 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 04:36:18PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: How many financials implementations are ultimately needed - really only one, perhaps customized for vertical markets. A healthy market requires competition. And different companies have very different needs. The IT Infrastructure

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-03 Thread Bruce Perens
Theodore Ts'o wrote: Why does Group 1 really care about running under Linux, as opposed to some other OS? Is it really about price sensitivity? If so, it's surprising because to the extent that they pay $50,000 for Oracle, or $1,000,000+ for SAP R/3, why should they care about the cost of

[CUSTOM] Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-03 Thread cobaco
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2003-12-03 05:08, Theodore Ts'o wrote: To the extent that they are self-supporting, they become economically irrelevant to a commerical distribution or to a support provider of UserLinux. The best that you will get out of these customers are

UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Bruce Perens
I did a first pass at the UserLinux white paper, it's at http://userlinux.org/white_paper.html. I think I'll sleep for a while. Thanks Bruce

OOPS!: Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Bruce Perens
That's userlinux.com . I don't have the .org, some domain squatter has that. Thanks Bruce On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 12:04:31PM +, bruce wrote: I did a first pass at the UserLinux white paper, it's at http://userlinux.org/white_paper.html. I think I'll sleep for a while

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 12:04:31PM +, bruce wrote: I did a first pass at the UserLinux white paper, it's at http://userlinux.org/white_paper.html. I think I'll sleep for a while. This is an interesting white paper, but I think it's missing something rather important in its discussion

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Bruce Perens
at 12:04:31PM +, bruce wrote: I did a first pass at the UserLinux white paper, it's at http://userlinux.org/white_paper.html. I think I'll sleep for a while. This is an interesting white paper, but I think it's missing something rather important in its discussion

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Marc Singer
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 04:52:47PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: So, our problem is how to rebalance the vendor-customer relationship for our purposes. Probably the most useful tool is the industry group organization, where a number of similar businesses get together to steer their

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 04:52:47PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: So, our problem is how to rebalance the vendor-customer relationship for our purposes. Probably the most useful tool is the industry group organization, where a number of similar businesses get together to steer their

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 04:52:47PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: I don't deny that many businesses do have to come to their vendor on bended knee to get support for a new platform. It's important, however, to realize that this does indicate a problem in the customer's relationship with the

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 15:08, Theodore Ts'o wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 04:52:47PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: I don't deny that many businesses do have to come to their vendor on bended knee to get support for a new platform. It's important, however, to realize that this does indicate a

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 11:12, Theodore Ts'o wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 12:04:31PM +, bruce wrote: I did a first pass at the UserLinux white paper, it's at http://userlinux.org/white_paper.html. I think I'll sleep for a while. The next logical question then is why will an ISV