Re: Volunteer-initiated team maintenance as a solution for packages with low activity

2012-04-23 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 04/19/2012 05:38 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de writes: That would require that the tech-ctte's decisions do not take months or years. They are fast if they really need to be, but in such general cases the time a descision takes is imho way too long and frustrating

Re: Volunteer-initiated team maintenance as a solution for packages with low activity

2012-04-19 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 04/18/2012 09:29 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Colin Watson alioth is just a Debian-specific hosting site, not a general gateway to package maintenance. We're not set up for them to be dispute resolution for the whole of Debian, and they have no constitutional authority to do that

Re: Volunteer-initiated team maintenance as a solution for packages with low activity

2012-04-19 Thread Russ Allbery
Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de writes: That would require that the tech-ctte's decisions do not take months or years. They are fast if they really need to be, but in such general cases the time a descision takes is imho way too long and frustrating for all involved people. I would prefer a

Volunteer-initiated team maintenance as a solution for packages with low activity

2012-04-18 Thread Michael Gilbert
Hi, I would like to throw out an idea for constructively combating low activity in strongly maintained packages. Across the Debian package ecosystem team maintainership has been seen as the strongest antidote for package stagnation. This process just works because as one team member becomes

Re: Volunteer-initiated team maintenance as a solution for packages with low activity

2012-04-18 Thread Moray Allan
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 13:10 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: So anyway, enough explanation, on to my proposed solution. Seeing as team spirit has been a quite effective antidote to stagnation, lets go ahead and use that again. I agree with the general intention, but not with the details of the

Re: Volunteer-initiated team maintenance as a solution for packages with low activity

2012-04-18 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Moray Allan wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 13:10 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: So anyway, enough explanation, on to my proposed solution.  Seeing as team spirit has been a quite effective antidote to stagnation, lets go ahead and use that again. I agree with

Re: Volunteer-initiated team maintenance as a solution for packages with low activity

2012-04-18 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 01:10:42PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: So anyway, enough explanation, on to my proposed solution. Seeing as team spirit has been a quite effective antidote to stagnation, lets go ahead and use that again. Here is my suggested process: Nowhere in this process seems

Re: Volunteer-initiated team maintenance as a solution for packages with low activity

2012-04-18 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Colin Watson wrote: Nowhere in this process seems to be the notion that you should contribute actual effort first before adding yourself as an uploader.  I think that's important, particularly in the many situations where it's not lack of packaging of a new

Re: Volunteer-initiated team maintenance as a solution for packages with low activity

2012-04-18 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Colin Watson alioth is just a Debian-specific hosting site, not a general gateway to package maintenance. We're not set up for them to be dispute resolution for the whole of Debian, and they have no constitutional authority to do that anyway. De-emphasising the role of alioth

Re: Volunteer-initiated team maintenance as a solution for packages with low activity

2012-04-18 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Michael Gilbert wrote: Plus I don't have to find hosting for my work elsewhere, which is kind of a pain and unwanted. This at least is easy to address. Alioth automatically notices per-user git repositories under ~/public_git[1]. Something similar works for other version