Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-11 Thread Felipe Sateler
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 14:41:01 +, Simon McVittie wrote: > On 11/11/14 13:04, Felipe Sateler wrote: >> I'm not sure if it is PolicyKit or a related service (old documentation >> suggests it was ConsoleKit, nowadays it should be logind?), but >> /dev/snd/ >> * get ACLs added for the currently logg

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-11 Thread Simon McVittie
On 11/11/14 13:04, Felipe Sateler wrote: > I'm not sure if it is PolicyKit or a related service (old documentation > suggests it was ConsoleKit, nowadays it should be logind?), but /dev/snd/ > * get ACLs added for the currently logged in users Yes, that's exactly what I said a couple of mails ago

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-11 Thread Felipe Sateler
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:08:38 +, Simon McVittie wrote: > On 10/11/14 02:59, Christian Hofstaedtler wrote: >> I vaguely remember PolicyKit being involved in the daemon situation, >> when mpd tries to talk to a pulseaudio server which magically gets >> spawned > > PolicyKit is typically (only?)

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-10 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
I would assume the way to go forward would be to report a bug on this? I have a faint memory of there already being one, but I couldn't find it anywhere. Also, my last bug report got closed - and I'm not even sure what to report it against (base?). Perhaps someone else would be more competent at w

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-10 Thread Simon McVittie
On 10/11/14 02:59, Christian Hofstaedtler wrote: > I vaguely remember PolicyKit being involved in the daemon situation, > when mpd tries to talk to a pulseaudio server which magically gets > spawned PolicyKit is typically (only?) used when a less-privileged process, typically a user interface, com

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-09 Thread Christian Hofstaedtler
* Simon McVittie [141110 00:55]: > On 09/11/14 23:34, Christian Hofstaedtler wrote: > >>> On the other hand, it would break typical uses of using sound remotely. > >> > >> This usually happens via UPnP or similar, though - the actual audio is > >> ultimately done by a local user. So the audio grou

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-09 Thread Simon McVittie
On 09/11/14 23:34, Christian Hofstaedtler wrote: >>> On the other hand, it would break typical uses of using sound remotely. >> >> This usually happens via UPnP or similar, though - the actual audio is >> ultimately done by a local user. So the audio group is unrelated to this >> usecase. > > It v

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-09 Thread Christian Hofstaedtler
* Ralf Jung [141109 17:02]: > Hi, > > > On the other hand, it would break typical uses of using sound remotely. > > These days, shared computers are almost unheard of save for some school > > settings -- while loads of people have some raspi mediacenter or press > > some buttons on their phone to

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-09 Thread Ralf Jung
Hi, > On the other hand, it would break typical uses of using sound remotely. > These days, shared computers are almost unheard of save for some school > settings -- while loads of people have some raspi mediacenter or press > some buttons on their phone to control sound coming from the big comput

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-09 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 02:33:54PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > On 09/11/14 13:53, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > > So, who determined that audio group will not be used as a default user > > group in Debian > > As far as I know, nobody yet. Marco was expressing what he thinks should > happen in future, no

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-09 Thread Simon McVittie
On 09/11/14 13:53, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > So, who determined that audio group will not be used as a default user > group in Debian As far as I know, nobody yet. Marco was expressing what he thinks should happen in future, not what has happened already. I agree with his opinion on this. > and when y

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-09 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014, at 02:58 AM, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Oct 27, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > > > Ok, so you are for removing audio group from user default groups? > Eventually, yes. > So, who determined that audio group will not be used as a default user group in Debian, and when you say eventual

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-10-30 Thread Tobias Frost
Am Mittwoch, den 29.10.2014, 23:25 +0100 schrieb Ralf Jung: > Hi, > > > Marco d'Itri: > >> On Oct 27, Tobias Frost wrote: > >> > > Ok, so you are for removing audio group from user default groups? > Eventually, yes. > >>> Did you mean "maybe" or "for sure, someone" > > > > s/someone/som

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-10-29 Thread Ralf Jung
Hi, > Marco d'Itri: >> On Oct 27, Tobias Frost wrote: >> > Ok, so you are for removing audio group from user default groups? Eventually, yes. >>> Did you mean "maybe" or "for sure, someone" > > s/someone/sometime/ > >> No. >> > Then what *did* you mean? Well, probably the correct Engl

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-10-27 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Marco d'Itri: > On Oct 27, Tobias Frost wrote: > > > > > Ok, so you are for removing audio group from user default groups? > > > Eventually, yes. > > Did you mean "maybe" or "for sure, someone" s/someone/sometime/ > No. > Then what *did* you mean? -- -- Matthias Urlichs -- To UNSUBSC

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-10-27 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Oct 27, Tobias Frost wrote: > > > Ok, so you are for removing audio group from user default groups? > > Eventually, yes. > Did you mean "maybe" or "for sure, someone" No. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-10-27 Thread Tobias Frost
Am Montag, den 27.10.2014, 02:58 +0100 schrieb Marco d'Itri: > On Oct 27, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > > > Ok, so you are for removing audio group from user default groups? > Eventually, yes. Did you mean "maybe" or "for sure, someone" Just to avoid an (common) non-native* error: eventually != maybe --

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-10-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Oct 27, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > Ok, so you are for removing audio group from user default groups? Eventually, yes. > Would these be able to be tagged with "seat" as you mention? Actually the correct tag is uaccess, and /lib/udev/rules.d/70-uaccess.rules will already do it for you for all ID_FF

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-10-26 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014, at 11:36 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Oct 26, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > > > I did find some explanations on the usage of it on this page, under > > 'Should users be in the "audio" group?' > > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/PerfectSetup/,

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-10-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Oct 26, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > I did find some explanations on the usage of it on this page, under > 'Should users be in the "audio" group?' > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/PerfectSetup/, > and from what I can determine, Debian would then fall under categ

What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-10-26 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
Hi. I'm the project leader for Ubuntu Studio and a prospective Debian developer. My work tends to focus mostly on multimedia production related topics, and specifically audio production. My main objective right now is just to try making audio production easier for regular users, and this is still