Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 18/05/08 at 16:27 +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote: > On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 03:18:12PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > But the problem we want to solve is making things easier for > > upstreams. > > Oh? When I read the proposal, I understood that the problem we want to > solve is about tracking cha

Re: Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 03:05:41PM +, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 18/05/08 at 16:27 +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote: > > On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 03:18:12PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > > But the problem we want to solve is making things easier for > > > upstreams. > > > > Oh? When I read the prop

Re: Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 17:05 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 18/05/08 at 16:27 +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote: > > On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 03:18:12PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > > But the problem we want to solve is making things easier for > > > upstreams. > > > > Oh? When I read the proposal, I

Re: Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2008/5/18 Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The problem I am interested in solving is: > It is currently difficult for people not involved in Debian > development (upstream, other distros, users) to know which patches we > applied, the reason for the patch, and whether they should be > inte

Re: Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 18/05/08 at 16:44 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 17:05 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > On 18/05/08 at 16:27 +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote: > > > On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 03:18:12PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > > > But the problem we want to solve is making things easier for >

Re: Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 18:22 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > The problem I am interested in solving is: > > > It is currently difficult for people not involved in Debian > > > development (upstream, other distros, users) to know which patches we > > > applied, the reason for the patch, and

Re: Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
(please don't remove Ccs. I added one for a reason) On 18/05/08 at 18:02 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 18:22 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > > The problem I am interested in solving is: > > > > It is currently difficult for people not involved in Debian > > > > develop

Re: Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 19:39 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > (please don't remove Ccs. I added one for a reason) (Not sure you want d-devel and direct since I know you are subscribed, so removed that one. :-)) > > > That sounds logical to have both: > > > - they know that distro devs are not perfec

Re: Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
(you can skip to the end for a summary of what I think we agree on) On 18/05/08 at 19:49 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > > > I still like the two-stage closure option because sometimes we just need > > > to upload a fix before an upstream release can be made and the bug > > > submitter should know t

Re: Which problem are we trying to solve? (Was: divergence from upstream as a bug)

2008-05-18 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 21:40 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > (you can skip to the end for a summary of what I think we agree on) > > > The only > > > thing that he would additionaly get is a notification when the change is > > > applied upstream and fixed in Debian by a new upstream version. > > >