Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 23 juillet 2014 à 16:12 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : Someone with more detailed desktop knowledge should read this over and correct it as necessary. This is just my understanding of what's going on, and I don't work with the software in question and could be wrong in some

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-23 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
However, you're doing this during boot, so there *are* no active users, since the system hasn't come up far enough to let anyone log in yet. So it makes sense that you don't get a prompt. Does that mean that the new pid 1 expects users to be logged in before it starts the system? -- Juliusz

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr writes: However, you're doing this during boot, so there *are* no active users, since the system hasn't come up far enough to let anyone log in yet. So it makes sense that you don't get a prompt. Does that mean that the new pid 1 expects

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-23 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-07-22 19:54:10 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: logind is also not mandatory in Debian now. It's just required, upstream, by all the major desktop environments. Not just by all the major desktop environments. It is also needed by hplip via dependencies[*], which is quite surprising for a HP

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net writes: On 2014-07-22 19:54:10 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: logind is also not mandatory in Debian now. It's just required, upstream, by all the major desktop environments. Not just by all the major desktop environments. It is also needed by hplip via

all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, (as this thread has already attracted two interesting replies, I'll try again to convey the message which has not been heard yet... I don't have high hopes this thread won't become a flamefest, but I want to at least try to kill the flames before they explode...) (And if you know systemd,

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org writes: On Dienstag, 22. Juli 2014, Julian Gilbey wrote: For me, this is a killer, as I still do not know how to solve the problem I asked a while back on debian-user (https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/04/msg01286.html): in summary, I need to

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 01:26:47AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: On Dienstag, 22. Juli 2014, Julian Gilbey wrote: I just tried updating testing on my system. I currently use sysvinit-core (reasons below), but aptitude is telling me that I should remove this in favour of systemd-sysv. Hmm,

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Steve, thanks for the technical details, much appreciated. On Mittwoch, 23. Juli 2014, Steve Langasek wrote: There was nothing in Julian's message which was a rant, so I don't think this response is called for. Well, the subject (and also the body) conveyed the wrong message, that systemd

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 03:58:32AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: Well, the subject (and also the body) conveyed the wrong message, that systemd is mandatory in Debian now. Which - as you also said - is wrong, at least for two reasons: a.) it's logind, not systemd and b.) only desktops are

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl writes: On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 03:58:32AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: Well, the subject (and also the body) conveyed the wrong message, that systemd is mandatory in Debian now. Which - as you also said - is wrong, at least for two reasons: a.) it's logind,