Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-11-02 Thread Alexandre Oliva
Hi, Peter, Thanks for your very informative response. You've confirmed my understanding that the main/contrib split is not about software freedom at all. I've thus come to the conclusion that it was motivated by the other Debian priority. Please bear with me while I explore the consequences of

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-31 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Alexandre Oliva] > That's why packages that contain Free Software along with > documentation under licenses that don't pass the DFSG end up split > into separate packages. Keeping the documentation that didn't pass > the DFSG wasn't deemed acceptable, neither was moving the whole > package to no

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 30 octobre 2008 à 17:37 -0200, Alexandre Oliva a écrit : > It does make a difference when the components don't quite form an > inseparable unit, but rather they're just put together in a single > tarball for convenience. Kernel modules are not really separable from the kernel image. You c

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-30 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Oct 30, 2008, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Whether they are plugins or modules or whatnot is irrelevant here. I'm not sure on what policies your statement is based on, but clearly to me what defines a package is not just an artifact of upstream packaging that Debian itself is

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 29 octobre 2008 à 22:10 -0200, Alexandre Oliva a écrit : > > Because the kernel is perfectly usable without the firmwares. > > But how about the specific modules that require them, the ones that > got this sub-thread started in the first place? It doesn't make sense > to me to frame t

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-29 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On 28 Oct, 2008, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le mardi 28 octobre 2008 à 14:12 -0200, Alexandre Oliva a écrit : >> I hope the prevalent interpretation of Debian's rules and policies >> isn't so lax as to make room for such manipulation as packaging stuff >> in main that belongs in

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 28 octobre 2008 à 14:12 -0200, Alexandre Oliva a écrit : > I hope the prevalent interpretation of Debian's rules and policies > isn't so lax as to make room for such manipulation as packaging stuff > in main that belongs in contrib or non-free just because it happens to > be part of the sa

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-28 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Oct 28, 2008, Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Alexandre Oliva] >> Say, if these drivers that require non-Free firmware *were* shipped >> as separate packages (for whatever reason), would they really belong >> in main, rather than in contrib? > Now you've hit on it. If they were

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-28 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Alexandre Oliva] > Say, if these drivers that require non-Free firmware *were* shipped > as separate packages (for whatever reason), would they really belong > in main, rather than in contrib? Now you've hit on it. If they were packaged _separately_, the drivers that are non-functional without

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-27 Thread Alexandre Oliva
Sorry that it took so long to respond, I'm not on this list, and I'm not even sure I could/should be. Anyhow, the evidence you presented to support your opinion seems to me to actually support the opposite of your opinion, so please bear with me while I get myself acquainted with Debian's position

Re: can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-25 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 18:28 -0200, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > Hi again, > > I've been watching the discussion and the separation of firmware from > kernel sources with a lot of interest, but today it dawned on me that, > even if this project is completed, it wouldn't quite address the issue > of com

can a kernel in main depend on firmware in non-free to work?

2008-10-25 Thread Alexandre Oliva
Hi again, I've been watching the discussion and the separation of firmware from kernel sources with a lot of interest, but today it dawned on me that, even if this project is completed, it wouldn't quite address the issue of compliance with Debian procedures and regulations. I understand main is