default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Joey Hess
For sarge we have two options for the default MTA in base: a. replace exim with exim4 b. no MTA installed by default, add a MTA task So do we want there to be a MTA by default? -- see shy jo pgphtlTJ6VHOZ.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread David B Harris
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:31:51 +0200 Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For sarge we have two options for the default MTA in base: > > a. replace exim with exim4 > b. no MTA installed by default, add a MTA task > > So do we want there to be a MTA by default? I would opt for a) personally. Exim

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Joey Hess
David B Harris wrote: > However, if b) is chosen ... doesn't this cry for a category, not a > task? Or perhaps even a one-off frontend that lets one select from the > list of 'grep-available -FProvides -sPackage mail-transport-agent'? Not really, that's what aptitude is for. You would chose the ta

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On Sunday 13 July 2003 01:31, Joey Hess wrote: > For sarge we have two options for the default MTA in base: > > a. replace exim with exim4 > b. no MTA installed by default, add a MTA task > > So do we want there to be a MTA by default? I would lean towards exim4 configured for local delivery only.

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread ZHAO Wei
On Sun, 2003-07-13 at 16:31, Joey Hess wrote: > For sarge we have two options for the default MTA in base: > > a. replace exim with exim4 > b. no MTA installed by default, add a MTA task > > So do we want there to be a MTA by default? I, for one, don't want there be a MTA by default. At least no

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Daniel Silverstone
On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 10:31:51AM +0200, Joey Hess wrote: > For sarge we have two options for the default MTA in base: > a. replace exim with exim4 > b. no MTA installed by default, add a MTA task > So do we want there to be a MTA by default? Since woody didn't release with exim4 at all, I'm all

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread John Hasler
Joey Hess writes: > So do we want there to be a MTA by default? IMO yes. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Andreas Metzler
Daniel Silverstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 10:31:51AM +0200, Joey Hess wrote: >> For sarge we have two options for the default MTA in base: >> a. replace exim with exim4 >> b. no MTA installed by default, add a MTA task >> So do we want there to be a MTA by default? >

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Daniel Silverstone
On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 01:25:02PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > Daniel Silverstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Since woody didn't release with exim4 at all, I'm all for releasing with > > exim 3 by default, having exim 4 there for people who want it, and then > > in sarge+1 swapping it over f

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Sebastian Kapfer
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:50:07 +0200, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > Enough of a Linux system assumes that a MTA is present that not > installing any would be wrong. Asking an user which MTA they want is > equally wrong because many users have no clue what one is. I strongly support this. A week or

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Sebastian Kapfer
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:30:08 +0200, ZHAO Wei wrote: >> So do we want there to be a MTA by default? > > I, for one, don't want there be a MTA by default. At least not a running > daemon there. What about inetd (which is IMHO the current default)? -- Best Regards, | Hi! I'm a .signature viru

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Michał Politowski
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:21:05 +0100, Daniel Silverstone wrote: [...] > Fair enough. Is the upgrade path from exim3 to exim4 utterly smooth? > > If not, we should make it optional which to choose, if it is utterly > smooth then let's have exim4 by default, or at minimum a 'one of' choice > of things

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Michał Politowski
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:55:12 +0200, Sebastian Kapfer wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:30:08 +0200, ZHAO Wei wrote: > > >> So do we want there to be a MTA by default? > > > > I, for one, don't want there be a MTA by default. At least not a running > > daemon there. > > What about inetd (which is I

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread ZHAO Wei
On Sun, 2003-07-13 at 19:55, Sebastian Kapfer wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:30:08 +0200, ZHAO Wei wrote: > > > > I, for one, don't want there be a MTA by default. At least not a running > > daemon there. > > What about inetd (which is IMHO the current default)? Indeed I don't want inetd on my

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Andreas Metzler
Daniel Silverstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > Fair enough. Is the upgrade path from exim3 to exim4 utterly smooth? It is not utterly smooth but as smooth as I could make it. > If not, we should make it optional which to choose, if it is utterly > smooth then let's have exim4 by default, o

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Andreas Metzler
Sebastian Kapfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:50:07 +0200, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: >> Enough of a Linux system assumes that a MTA is present that not >> installing any would be wrong. Asking an user which MTA they want is >> equally wrong because many users have no clue w

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Andreas Metzler
Micha? Politowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:21:05 +0100, Daniel Silverstone wrote: > [...] >> Fair enough. Is the upgrade path from exim3 to exim4 utterly smooth? >> If not, we should make it optional which to choose, if it is utterly >> smooth then let's have exim4 by de

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Joey Hess
Daniel Silverstone wrote: > Since woody didn't release with exim4 at all, I'm all for releasing with > exim 3 by default Releaseing with exim 3 is not an option unless someone converts it to use debconf for configuration. Sorry. >, having exim 4 there for people who want it, and then > in sarge+1

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Steve Greenland
On 13-Jul-03, 07:48 (CDT), Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > If you installed exim4 and used frontend=noninteractive or just press > on every debconf-question you should end up exactly with this: > local delivery only. But that's several more questions that many users, especi

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Sebastian Kapfer
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 15:00:10 +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > If you installed exim4 and used frontend=noninteractive or just press > on every debconf-question you should end up exactly with this: > local delivery only. In this case, it was the exim3 package, which had a non-debconf configuration

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On Sunday 13 July 2003 06:26, Sebastian Kapfer wrote: > > I know, but that location (/var/mail/root) is discouraged, isn't it? The > admin shouldn't read his/her mail under uid 0. That's why I think that > exim should ask this question when it is configured for local delivery (or > in "newbie" mode

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On Sunday 13 July 2003 02:24, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > I would lean towards exim4 configured for local delivery only. It is a > sane default for just about every system. The admins who know they want > another MTA can easily replace exim and the users who have no clue what a > MTA does have

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 10:26:18AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > In another post I mentioned that the only reason I have a local mail daemon > setup on some machines is to allow reportbug to work. It occurs to me that > perhaps (*PERHAPS*) during the install we could query: what about cro