On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 04:07:24PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> BTW, it'd be nice to have a backport of Jitsi. Not sure how much work
> that would be though (there must be lots of java dependencies...).
I recently installed 2.5.5190-1 on Wheezy without much trouble, but
imho, the operational i
On 06/04/14 17:38, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 01:33:15PM +0200, Martín Ferrari wrote:
>> On 30/03/14 15:20, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>
>>> Please use https://wiki.debian.org/UnifiedCommunications as starting
>>> point. There is already link to a (mini-)HOWTO on some server s
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 01:33:15PM +0200, Martín Ferrari wrote:
> On 30/03/14 15:20, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>
> > Please use https://wiki.debian.org/UnifiedCommunications as starting
> > point. There is already link to a (mini-)HOWTO on some server setup,
> > but if that does not adequately co
previously on this list Russ Allbery contributed:
> > I guess you missed all the exploits in JAVA over the years and
> > especially last year where it was banned for long periods from all
> > browsers. To the point that the pressure is building on web hosts to
> > drop JAVA KVM clients completely.
On 30/03/14 15:20, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Please use https://wiki.debian.org/UnifiedCommunications as starting
> point. There is already link to a (mini-)HOWTO on some server setup,
> but if that does not adequately cover conference calls (I haven't tried
> yet myself) then consider extendi
Kevin Chadwick writes:
> I guess you missed all the exploits in JAVA over the years and
> especially last year where it was banned for long periods from all
> browsers. To the point that the pressure is building on web hosts to
> drop JAVA KVM clients completely.
Most of the exploits in Java (I
previously on this list Bas Wijnen contributed:
> I see the problem of all the bloat that comes with Java, but it is
> minor. The main problem is still
> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html
I guess you missed all the exploits in JAVA over the years and
especially last year where it was
Bas Wijnen writes:
> I see the problem of all the bloat that comes with Java, but it is
> minor. The main problem is still
> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html
> In particular
>> To reliably ensure your Java programs run fine in a free environment,
>> you need to develop them using
First of all, I agree that we should provide a system that is as usable
as possible. If a desktop environment such as Gnome chooses to use an
inferior product, we don't have to let _our_ users suffer from that
choice. Having a client which integrates well with the system is nice,
but what's more
- "Thomas Goirand" wrote:
> And yes, Java sux! :/ And it's going to take *a lot* of space on the
> CD1. This should therefore be discussed on the debian-cd list as well.
> I don't think that only the argument "it's better because of this or
> that feature" would be the only one (unfortunately
On 03/31/2014 08:27 PM, Jean-Michel Nirgal Vourgère wrote:
> Empathy was lacking OTR encryption for text, last time I checked.
>
> Jitsi does support it ok, so I can continue to do secure chat with my
> existing contacts from pidgin (previously known as gaim).
BTW, it'd be nice to have a backport
I use JAVA for eclipse (mostly good but a bit of a pain at times but I
need a particular plugin for embedded work, commercial prog dependence
in other cases) but think JAVA by default would be a big negative even
aside from being a dpig, especially for anything network facing and
especially without
On 03/30/2014 10:33 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Sun, 2014-03-30 at 22:09 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> Apart maybe if you talk about your mum, which anyway wouldn't install
>
> Argument from sexism?
Don't you help your mum (which I except to know less about Debian than a
DD would)? Most peopl
On 31/03/14 15:31, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Daniel Pocock (2014-03-31 15:11:06)
>> On 31/03/14 14:48, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>>> Le lundi 31 mars 2014 à 14:15 +0200, Daniel Pocock a écrit :
The Jitsi people have done that work. They may also be willing to
take steps towards a
Quoting Daniel Pocock (2014-03-31 15:11:06)
> On 31/03/14 14:48, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> Le lundi 31 mars 2014 à 14:15 +0200, Daniel Pocock a écrit :
>>> The Jitsi people have done that work. They may also be willing to
>>> take steps towards achieving better desktop integration, maybe not
>
Empathy was lacking OTR encryption for text, last time I checked.
Jitsi does support it ok, so I can continue to do secure chat with my
existing contacts from pidgin (previously known as gaim).
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On 31/03/14 14:48, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 31 mars 2014 à 14:15 +0200, Daniel Pocock a écrit :
>> The Jitsi people have done that work. They may also be willing to take
>> steps towards achieving better desktop integration, maybe not perfectly,
>> but maybe sufficient to give the best
Le lundi 31 mars 2014 à 14:15 +0200, Daniel Pocock a écrit :
> The Jitsi people have done that work. They may also be willing to take
> steps towards achieving better desktop integration, maybe not perfectly,
> but maybe sufficient to give the best all-round user experience. Right
> now, there i
On 31/03/14 13:29, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 31 mars 2014 à 12:37 +0200, Daniel Pocock a écrit :
>> Just to clarify, it is not mandatory to install any of Empathy at all
>> when installing a GNOME desktop and the whole of Empathy could be left
>> out if GNOME is the desktop and another cl
Le lundi 31 mars 2014 à 12:37 +0200, Daniel Pocock a écrit :
> Just to clarify, it is not mandatory to install any of Empathy at all
> when installing a GNOME desktop and the whole of Empathy could be left
> out if GNOME is the desktop and another client (like Jitsi or Pidgin)
> was preferred by t
]] Daniel Pocock
> On 31/03/14 11:27, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Le dimanche 30 mars 2014 à 11:04 +0200, Daniel Pocock a écrit :
> >> Currently, Empathy is installed by default
> > Empathy is the default for GNOME, and I do not see a convincing reason
> > to change that.
> >
> > The default for
Just my personal experience regarding this.
I tried to use Jitsi for past several months (maybe even a year) on GNOME
but while it does look the most promising VoIP client out there it was very
buggy for me (using testing, with sometimes bits from unstable and
experimental).
Buggy - if I choose to
On 31/03/14 12:12, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On 31/03/14 10:27, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> Le dimanche 30 mars 2014 à 11:04 +0200, Daniel Pocock a écrit :
>>> Currently, Empathy is installed by default
> I think you might be conflating "present in a default desktop
> installation" with "recommended
On 31/03/14 11:27, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le dimanche 30 mars 2014 à 11:04 +0200, Daniel Pocock a écrit :
>> Currently, Empathy is installed by default
> Empathy is the default for GNOME, and I do not see a convincing reason
> to change that.
>
> The default for Xfce (which is currently the def
On 31/03/14 10:27, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le dimanche 30 mars 2014 à 11:04 +0200, Daniel Pocock a écrit :
>> Currently, Empathy is installed by default
I think you might be conflating "present in a default desktop
installation" with "recommended by the project for all of its possible
functiona
Le dimanche 30 mars 2014 à 11:04 +0200, Daniel Pocock a écrit :
> Currently, Empathy is installed by default
Empathy is the default for GNOME, and I do not see a convincing reason
to change that.
The default for Xfce (which is currently the default desktop) should be
decided by the Xfce maintain
* Daniel Pocock [2014-03-30 11:04]:
> I'd like to propose that Jitsi be considered as the default messaging,
> VoIP and webcam client for the next major Debian release (jessie).
> This would mean it is installed by default in a desktop install and it
> is the default handler for sip: and xmpp: UR
On behalf of the community, thanks for the suggesting this Daniel! We are
currently in the process of preparing deb packages for Jitsi Videobridge
and our new conferencing app too, so maybe these would also help Debian's
users to get better Free communication.
--sent from my mobile
On 30 Mar 2014
Thomas Goirand writes:
> On 03/30/2014 06:55 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> > Thomas Goirand:
> >> P.S: […] I find the concept of default app bad in itself, and I
> >> think users should be given the choice, and it isn't the role of a
> >> distribution to choose for its users.
> >
> > Most new use
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On 30/03/14 20:53, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Tzafrir Cohen (2014-03-30 19:15:04)
>> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 07:24:15PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>> On 30/03/14 16:54, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Quoting Daniel Pocock (2014-03-30 16:31:1
Quoting Tzafrir Cohen (2014-03-30 19:15:04)
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 07:24:15PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> > On 30/03/14 16:54, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > Quoting Daniel Pocock (2014-03-30 16:31:18)
> > >> Jitsi does IM/chat too, I just didn't emphasize that so mcuh.
> > >
> > > Please add
Quoting Daniel Pocock (2014-03-30 19:24:15)
> On 30/03/14 16:54, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting Daniel Pocock (2014-03-30 16:31:18)
> >> Jitsi does IM/chat too, I just didn't emphasize that so mcuh.
> >
> > Please add "T" in the relevant "TAV" fields at
> > https://wiki.debian.org/UnifiedCom
* Ben Hutchings , 2014-03-30, 15:33:
Most new users don't know enough to choose.
Excuse me to say it this way, but ... NO!
I've read this too many times. You have absolutely no evidence of
that. Apart maybe if you talk about your mum, which anyway wouldn't
install
Argument from sexism?
O
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 07:24:15PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
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> On 30/03/14 16:54, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting Daniel Pocock (2014-03-30 16:31:18)
> >> Jitsi does IM/chat too, I just didn't emphasize that so mcuh.
> >
> > Please
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On 30/03/14 16:54, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Daniel Pocock (2014-03-30 16:31:18)
>> Jitsi does IM/chat too, I just didn't emphasize that so mcuh.
>
> Please add "T" in the relevant "TAV" fields at
> https://wiki.debian.org/UnifiedCommunic
Quoting Daniel Pocock (2014-03-30 16:31:18)
> Jitsi does IM/chat too, I just didn't emphasize that so mcuh.
Please add "T" in the relevant "TAV" fields at
https://wiki.debian.org/UnifiedCommunications/ClientSoftwareComparison -
and while at it please also add info about JSCommunicator :-)
Othe
On Sun, 2014-03-30 at 22:09 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 03/30/2014 06:55 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thomas Goirand:
> >> P.S: I don't really care which client is the default, because I find the
> >> concept of default app bad in itself, and I think users should be given
> >>
On 30/03/14 16:09, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 03/30/2014 06:55 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thomas Goirand:
>>> P.S: I don't really care which client is the default, because I find the
>>> concept of default app bad in itself, and I think users should be given
>>> the choice, and it i
On 03/30/2014 07:18 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> On 30/03/14 12:29, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> On 03/30/2014 05:04 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>>JitMeet multi-party video conferencing solution[8] for WebRTC
>>>browsers
>>
>> You should remove the "s" at browsers. It only supports Chrome(ium).
>
On 03/30/2014 06:55 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thomas Goirand:
>> P.S: I don't really care which client is the default, because I find the
>> concept of default app bad in itself, and I think users should be given
>> the choice, and it isn't the role of a distribution to choose for its
On 30/03/14 15:45, Michael Banck wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 11:49:08AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>> If you want GNOME to switch from Empathy to jitsi I think that would
>>> be a conversation that should be had with upstream, not with Debian. I
>>> doubt they would be interested
Hi,
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 11:49:08AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> > If you want GNOME to switch from Empathy to jitsi I think that would
> > be a conversation that should be had with upstream, not with Debian. I
> > doubt they would be interested in it due to the Java requirement
> > though.
>
Quoting Wookey (2014-03-30 14:18:47)
> +++ Thomas Goirand [2014-03-30 18:29 +0800]:
>> By the way, do you know if it's easy to setup conference calls the
>> way there is with JitMeet / Hangout, but without a web browser, eg
>> directly on a VoIP software? Can Jitsi do that?
>
> Yes I'm interested
+++ Thomas Goirand [2014-03-30 18:29 +0800]:
> On 03/30/2014 05:04 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>
> On 03/30/2014 05:04 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> >JitMeet multi-party video conferencing solution[8] for WebRTC
> >browsers
>
> You should remove the "s" at browsers. It only supports Chrome(ium)
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On 30/03/14 12:57, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Daniel Pocock (2014-03-30 11:04:31)
>> I'd like to propose that Jitsi be considered as the default
>> messaging, VoIP and webcam client for the next major Debian
>> release (jessie). This would m
On 30/03/14 12:29, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 03/30/2014 05:04 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> ZRTP - peer to peer encryption, like PGP for VoIP. Once again,
>> it has been in Jitsi for ages but is not in Empathy[7]
>
> To me, this is the most important feature of them all, and is IMO
> mandatory n
Hi,
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 11:04:31AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
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> To put it simply, the Jitsi team are blazing a trail in this area and
> a Debian initiative to install Jitsi on every desktop will give them
Quoting Daniel Pocock (2014-03-30 11:04:31)
> I'd like to propose that Jitsi be considered as the default messaging,
> VoIP and webcam client for the next major Debian release (jessie).
> This would mean it is installed by default in a desktop install and it
> is the default handler for sip: and
Hi,
Thomas Goirand:
> P.S: I don't really care which client is the default, because I find the
> concept of default app bad in itself, and I think users should be given
> the choice, and it isn't the role of a distribution to choose for its
> users. However, if we *have* to have a default, probabl
On 03/30/2014 05:04 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> ZRTP - peer to peer encryption, like PGP for VoIP. Once again,
> it has been in Jitsi for ages but is not in Empathy[7]
To me, this is the most important feature of them all, and is IMO
mandatory nowadays. But do you know if Asterisk (or other VoIP s
On 30/03/14 11:22, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>
>> Currently, Empathy is installed by default
>
> The default desktop is now Xfce, which doesn't use Empathy.
>
> http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/t/tasksel/unstable_changelog
Th
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> Currently, Empathy is installed by default
The default desktop is now Xfce, which doesn't use Empathy.
http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/t/tasksel/unstable_changelog
If you want GNOME to switch from Empathy to jitsi I t
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I'd like to propose that Jitsi be considered as the default messaging,
VoIP and webcam client for the next major Debian release (jessie).
This would mean it is installed by default in a desktop install and it
is the default handler for sip: and xmp
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