Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 09:11:05PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Marco d'Itri wrote: On May 05, Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote: - NFS This is not detailed. - for my wifi box (ie a 386 SX with 8MB of flash) This is not real world. It is. Not with Debian it isn't.

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-05 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009, Marco d'Itri wrote: I have been told by upstream maintainers of one of my packages and by prominent developers of other distributions that supporting a standalone /usr is too much work and no other distribution worth mentioning does it (not Ubuntu, not Fedora,

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-05 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Tue May 05 20:07, Iustin Pop wrote: Scenarion A, desktop - / on non-LVM, fixed size, as recovery from a broken LVM setup is way harder if / is on LVM - /usr on LVM, as it can grow significantly, and having it on LVM is much more flexible This is what I do on all of my

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-05 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 06:49:47PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 05 mai 2009 à 17:24 +0100, Roger Leigh a écrit : That might have been a traditional reason for a shared /usr. However, the package manager can't cope with this setup since you have some components of a package

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-05 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 06:50:47PM +0200, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote: Roger Leigh wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 05:41:06PM +0200, Stéphane Glondu wrote: Marco d'Itri a écrit : I know that Debian supports this, but I also know that maintaning forever large changes to packages for no real

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-05 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 05:36:02PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: So, does anybody still see reasons to continue supporting a standalone /usr? If you do, please provide a detailed real-world use case. A partial list of invalid reasons is: - it's really useful on my 386 SX with a 40 MB hard disk

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem? [386 support]

2009-05-05 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
On Tue, 2009-05-05 at 17:41 +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it wrote: I have been told by upstream maintainers of one of my packages and by prominent developers of other distributions that supporting a standalone /usr is too much work

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-05 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11741 March 1977, Marco d'Itri wrote: So, does anybody still see reasons to continue supporting a standalone /usr? There had been lots of responses to that. You havent presented any supporting your request, so why do you want it? Please provide a detailed real-world case. A partial list of

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-05 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 12:10:54AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: So, does anybody still see reasons to continue supporting a standalone /usr? There had been lots of responses to that. Yes, the most repeated argument has been mount /usr via NFS. Unfortunately, nobody yet explained how do they

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-05 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 12:30:14AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 12:10:54AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: So, does anybody still see reasons to continue supporting a standalone /usr? There had been lots of responses to that. Yes, the most repeated argument has

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes: Yes, the most repeated argument has been mount /usr via NFS. Unfortunately, nobody yet explained how do they update the resulting cluster of machines. It's not particularly difficult. You update the system master and push that update into NFS,

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