Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-11 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Wookey wookware.org> writes: > Do I understand this correctly - that it prevents a package > cross-binutils-0.1 to generate binaries called > binutils-arm-linux-gnueabi-2.24-3 > binutils-arm-linux-gnueabihf-2.24-3 Actually, these packages will be buggy usually: debhelper uses the source version

Re: Bug#737634: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-11 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 22:13:45 +0100 Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Sigh. > > On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 12:59:23PM +, Neil Williams wrote: > > Using packages to support upstream development is a common problem /common problem/common source of problems/ > > and this is exactly where things get awkwar

Re: Bug#737634: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Sigh. On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 12:59:23PM +, Neil Williams wrote: > Using packages to support upstream development is a common problem and > this is exactly where things get awkward. No, it is not a *problem*; it is a *method* of doing things. It is not your place (nor mine) to question anoth

Re: Bug#737634: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Bernhard" == Bernhard R Link writes: As I mentioned I have a packaging branch and an upstream branch. I wish to use debian revisions to reflect packaging changes. It's slightly more complex than changes to debian directory involve a debian revision change; changes to other things involve

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Charles Plessy [140205 14:18]: > Who benefited directly from the change of behavior ? Nobody ? Then please > revert it; it was not necessary. Most import are people starting to create Debian packages. At least with 3.0 source packages they no longer have to care about the different meanings o

Re: Bug#737634: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Sam Hartman [140205 13:27]: > no, that means I have to maintain the artifact (namely the > .orig.tar.gz). > The archive software (both reprepro and dak were I to use that) require > that the .orig.tar.gz not change checksums. > > I don't want my build machines to be able to push back to my mast

Re: Bug#737634: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Neil" == Neil Williams writes: That makes sense and I do something similar as appropriate. Even so, I do not wish to maintain the upstream tarball as a maintained artifact. There are cases where packaging release releases are made. Maintaining pristine-tar commits for daily builds is a

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 12:46:09PM +0100, Andreas Beckmann a écrit : > > All this sounds like it can be done with git-buildpackage Hello everybody, I have the impression that we are arguing because of solution in search for a problem. Some things worked with the previous version of dpkg, with n

Re: Bug#737634: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 12:21:30 + Sam Hartman wrote: > > "Andreas" == Andreas Beckmann writes: > > Andreas> On 2014-02-05 10:57, Sam Hartman wrote: > >> tarballs useful; anyone who is likely to want to build this > >> from source probably has a copy of git and can checkout a tag

Re: Bug#737634: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Andreas" == Andreas Beckmann writes: Andreas> On 2014-02-05 10:57, Sam Hartman wrote: >> tarballs useful; anyone who is likely to want to build this from >> source probably has a copy of git and can checkout a tag. Andreas> Such a tag corresponds to an upstrema version? y

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Andreas Beckmann
On 2014-02-05 10:57, Sam Hartman wrote: > tarballs useful; anyone who is likely to want to build this from source > probably has a copy of git and can checkout a tag. Such a tag corresponds to an upstrema version? > I'm happy to entertain other options rather than 3.0(native) but my > requirement

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Sam Hartman
control: subscribe -1 > "Charles" == Charles Plessy writes: Charles> The 3.0 (native) format is useful when packaging a work Charles> that is developped and distributed in a Git repository. Charles> Please leave us this possibility. Let me describe the use case I have which is

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-05 Thread Lukas Anzinger
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Charles Plessy wrote: > The 3.0 (native) format is useful when packaging a work that is developped and > distributed in a Git repository. Please leave us this possibility. Can you elaborate a bit? From my understanding of your description I'd consider your (git)

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-04 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 02:05:45PM +, Dimitri John Ledkov a écrit : > On 4 February 2014 13:38, Jakub Wilk wrote: > > * Dimitri John Ledkov , 2014-02-04, 13:30: > > > >> Enforcing Debian Policy at dpkg-source -b . level, is not a good idea, > >> especially when it breaks backwards compat for 3

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-04 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 4 February 2014 16:20, Wookey wrote: > +++ Dimitri John Ledkov [2014-02-04 13:30 +]: >> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=700177 > > Do I understand this correctly - that it prevents a package > cross-binutils-0.1 to generate binaries called No, you can still generate any bi

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-04 Thread Stephen Kitt
On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 16:20:28 +, Wookey wrote: > +++ Dimitri John Ledkov [2014-02-04 13:30 +]: > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=700177 > > Do I understand this correctly - that it prevents a package > cross-binutils-0.1 to generate binaries called > binutils-arm-linux-g

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-04 Thread Wookey
+++ Dimitri John Ledkov [2014-02-04 13:30 +]: > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=700177 Do I understand this correctly - that it prevents a package cross-binutils-0.1 to generate binaries called binutils-arm-linux-gnueabi-2.24-3 binutils-arm-linux-gnueabihf-2.24-3 unless cros

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-04 Thread Ian Jackson
Dimitri John Ledkov writes ("Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages"): > Patch is attached to the new bug filed about this issue > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=737634 > Proposed patch adds &q

RE: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-04 Thread Ian Jackson
Dimitri John Ledkov writes ("RE: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages"): > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=700177 ... > Can this be reverted, or dpkg-source option provided to override this > ne

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-04 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 4 February 2014 13:38, Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Dimitri John Ledkov , 2014-02-04, 13:30: > >> Enforcing Debian Policy at dpkg-source -b . level, is not a good idea, >> especially when it breaks backwards compat for 3rd parties. We have lintian, >> and ftp-master lintian auto-rejects to clense the

Re: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-04 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Dimitri John Ledkov , 2014-02-04, 13:30: Enforcing Debian Policy at dpkg-source -b . level, is not a good idea, especially when it breaks backwards compat for 3rd parties. We have lintian, and ftp-master lintian auto-rejects to clense the archive if so is desired. Hear, hear. And I even dou

RE: dpkg-dev: please reject native/non-native version when building native/non-native source packages

2014-02-04 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=700177 How to override this new behaviour that breaks backwards compatibility of existing packages that (abuse) these bad version numbers? It appears to be enforcing a "Debian Project Policy" onto packages which are not in Debian. Can this be reve