Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-07-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 20 juillet 2008 à 16:05 -0500, Jason D. Clinton a écrit : Loïc, you offered to NMU this package here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=422590 This vastly improves the Gnome sound situation. Hope we can get this in for

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-07-20 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Loïc Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2008, Martin Pitt wrote: That's interesting indeed! So you avoid that by using an OSS driver instead of the ALSA one? I can

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-07-19 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Loïc Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2008, Martin Pitt wrote: That's interesting indeed! So you avoid that by using an OSS driver instead of the ALSA one? I can really not imagine how esound on top of a broken ALSA driver would sound better

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Am Mo den 16. Jun 2008 um 6:25 schrieb Martin Pitt: esound should *so much* die completely. It has very poor sound quality I cannot prove that. Its sound quality is much better than the one of ALSA direct. (Well esd on top of OSS. It is not

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi Klaus, Klaus Ethgen [2008-06-17 10:12 +0100]: I cannot prove that. Its sound quality is much better than the one of ALSA direct. (Well esd on top of OSS. It is not that good than with OSS direct but it is ok.) Hm, that rather sounds like for your card the OSS driver is much better than the

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Martin, Am Di den 17. Jun 2008 um 11:50 schrieb Martin Pitt: Klaus Ethgen [2008-06-17 10:12 +0100]: I cannot prove that. Its sound quality is much better than the one of ALSA direct. (Well esd on top of OSS. It is not that good than with

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Martin Pitt
Klaus Ethgen [2008-06-17 14:06 +0100]: The alternative to esound is not really ALSA, but rather pulseaudio. Is pulsaudio supported by applications like wine for example? Do pulsaudio work on top of OSS? pulseaudio provides an esound ABI compatibility layer, thus it's a drop-in replacement.

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Loïc Minier
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008, Martin Pitt wrote: That's interesting indeed! So you avoid that by using an OSS driver instead of the ALSA one? I can really not imagine how esound on top of a broken ALSA driver would sound better than just using the ALSA output directly? It might normalize which

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 17 juin 2008 à 14:06 +0100, Klaus Ethgen a écrit : OSS: Works well. OSS-ESD: Works well too. ALSA: The problems above. ALSA-ESD: I never really tested. Last time I checked, libesd-alsa0 was still completely unusable (well, except for some weird kind of sound-based torture). --

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread brian m. carlson
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:12:52AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: Am Mo den 16. Jun 2008 um 6:25 schrieb Martin Pitt: very poor code quality That might be. But that's a problem of many gnome applications. To be quite honest, I've seen the code for esd, and it is terrible. In fact, worse than

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Sam Morris
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:44:23 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Last time I checked, libesd-alsa0 was still completely unusable (well, except for some weird kind of sound-based torture). I regularly help users to find out why their sound has stopped working, and the cause is usually due to

esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-15 Thread Martin Pitt
Frans Pop [2008-06-15 20:39 +0200]: Also, the package has had uploads of new upstream versions to Ubuntu without getting similar uploads in Debian, but even there not by its Debian maintainer who AFAIK is an Canonical employee. esound should *so much* die completely. It has very poor sound