Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)

2014-05-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Don Armstrong writes (Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)): I'm OK with either adding additional clarification or adopting this language. I agree with Manoj's point about the gap between Russ's wording and the current one. Would

Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)

2014-05-20 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Ian Jackson: Would adding totally (or utterly) before unrelated help perhaps ? Or simply add a footnote stating that two packages are NOT unrelated if one depends on the other. -- -- Matthias Urlichs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)

2014-05-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Matthias Urlichs writes (Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)): Ian Jackson: Would adding totally (or utterly) before unrelated help perhaps ? Or simply add a footnote stating that two packages are NOT unrelated if one depends

Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)

2014-05-20 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Ian Jackson: People often won't read a footnote unless they are tripped up by something in the main text. I have to agree. s/footnote/remark/ (in the main text), then. -- -- Matthias Urlichs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)

2014-05-20 Thread Clint Adams
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 01:39:39PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Or simply add a footnote stating that two packages are NOT unrelated if one depends on the other. Could someone explain why this is a useful distinction? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)

2014-05-19 Thread Craig Small
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 08:46:20AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: The confusion seems to always be around the unrelated software part of that definition. The intended meaning is completely unrelated software on the system, indicating a package that's mangling the system in some fundamental way,

Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)

2014-05-19 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 17 May 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: I think defining critical as: makes the entire system unusable, or causes serious data loss, or introduces a security hole on systems where you install the package is closer to how we actually use the severity, and would avoid some of these

Re: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?

2014-05-18 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 01:18:29PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 12:42:10 +0200, Alessandro Ghedini wrote: Note that e.g. haskell-zeromq4-haskell already requires zeromq 4.x to build, and others (python-zmq, hbro, ...) depend on libzmq3 = 4.0.1, so zeromq4

Re: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?

2014-05-17 Thread Julien Cristau
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 07:33:04 +0200, Tobias Frost wrote: IMHO the severity should be raised to critical as it breaks unrelated software. Reverse dependencies are anything but unrelated. Cheers, Julien signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?

2014-05-17 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
On sab, mag 17, 2014 at 08:28:13 +, PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel wrote: Reverse dependencies are anything but unrelated. Hello julien, from the point of view of the release team. What should be do now ? to my opinion, all we have to do is to upload zeromq3 with this ugly but necessary

Re: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?

2014-05-17 Thread Julien Cristau
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 12:42:10 +0200, Alessandro Ghedini wrote: Note that e.g. haskell-zeromq4-haskell already requires zeromq 4.x to build, and others (python-zmq, hbro, ...) depend on libzmq3 = 4.0.1, so zeromq4 should be packaged first, those packages updated to build depend on

Re: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?

2014-05-17 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 16.05.2014 22:56, schrieb PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel: Hello, the zeromq upstream forgot to do an so bump when releasing the 4.x series. The breakage was discovers quite late so it is now in testing. the package should be revert to the 3.2.4 version. you can find all the information about

Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)

2014-05-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org writes: On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 07:33:04 +0200, Tobias Frost wrote: IMHO the severity should be raised to critical as it breaks unrelated software. Reverse dependencies are anything but unrelated. Over the years, I've seen endless confusion about the

Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)

2014-05-17 Thread Josh Triplett
Russ Allbery wrote: Over the years, I've seen endless confusion about the current definition of a critical bug severity: makes unrelated software on the system (or the whole system) break, or causes serious data loss, or introduces a security hole on systems where you install

how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?

2014-05-16 Thread PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel
Hello, the zeromq upstream forgot to do an so bump when releasing the 4.x series. The breakage was discovers quite late so it is now in testing. the package should be revert to the 3.2.4 version. you can find all the information about this breakage in the bug #743508. So my question is how to

Re: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?

2014-05-16 Thread Tobias Frost
On Fri, 2014-05-16 at 20:56 +, PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel wrote: Hello, the zeromq upstream forgot to do an so bump when releasing the 4.x series. The breakage was discovers quite late so it is now in testing. the package should be revert to the 3.2.4 version. you can find all the